Please God, No! (Transformers 2 Rumor) (SPOILER!)

[John Picard]

While the movies are made for mass public, they still try to please the 'fans' by keeping true to the roots.

I think that what they did to Transformers was bad because well it's robots fighting each other! How the hell can you move away from that?

Robots fighting each other is all Transformers is basically about. The story inbetween is just giving you a reason why they do.

The thing is, you can say that on about any comic book movie. Batman fights deranged criminals. The story in between is just giving you the reason why he is.

I find it hilarious that people bash the hell out of Batman and Robin and yet love Transformers in the same breath. To me Transformers the Movie is the same thing that Batman and Robin is to the Batman franchise.

The thing is, is personally I wanted a cameo by Optimus Prime and to wait for him in the second movie. There is so much more depth and character to the story than what Bay did and for that I am very disappointed. Were the graphics great? Yes but he didn't get what the Transformers are.

I understand what exodus is saying but you can also work around that. There are certain things the comic book did that would work extremely well in the movie.

The story in between, as exodus is saying, is varied but also very rich in detail.

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

 

[captcalhoun]

Orci's admitted on TFW2005 that Maximals and Predacons could appear in later movies. he's also not discounted Unicron or Primus and says he can see no reason why Movie Prime shouldn't have a Matrix.

he's also said a triple-changer may appear in #3

 

[T J]

Robots fighting each other is all Transformers is basically about. The story inbetween is just giving you a reason why they do.

The thing is, you can say that on about any comic book movie. Batman fights deranged criminals. The story in between is just giving you the reason why he is.

I find it hilarious that people bash the hell out of Batman and Robin and yet love Transformers in the same breath. To me Transformers the Movie is the same thing that Batman and Robin is to the Batman franchise.

The thing is, is personally I wanted a cameo by Optimus Prime and to wait for him in the second movie. There is so much more depth and character to the story than what Bay did and for that I am very disappointed. Were the graphics great? Yes but he didn't get what the Transformers are.

I understand what exodus is saying but you can also work around that. There are certain things the comic book did that would work extremely well in the movie.

The story in between, as exodus is saying, is varied but also very rich in detail.

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

I agree 1000%!!!

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Robots fighting each other is all Transformers is basically about. The story inbetween is just giving you a reason why they do.

The thing is, you can say that on about any comic book movie. Batman fights deranged criminals. The story in between is just giving you the reason why he is.

I find it hilarious that people bash the hell out of Batman and Robin and yet love Transformers in the same breath. To me Transformers the Movie is the same thing that Batman and Robin is to the Batman franchise.

The thing is, is personally I wanted a cameo by Optimus Prime and to wait for him in the second movie. There is so much more depth and character to the story than what Bay did and for that I am very disappointed. Were the graphics great? Yes but he didn't get what the Transformers are.

I understand what exodus is saying but you can also work around that. There are certain things the comic book did that would work extremely well in the movie.

The story in between, as exodus is saying, is varied but also very rich in detail.

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!). You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

 

[John Picard]

The thing is, you can say that on about any comic book movie. Batman fights deranged criminals. The story in between is just giving you the reason why he is.

I find it hilarious that people bash the hell out of Batman and Robin and yet love Transformers in the same breath. To me Transformers the Movie is the same thing that Batman and Robin is to the Batman franchise.

The thing is, is personally I wanted a cameo by Optimus Prime and to wait for him in the second movie. There is so much more depth and character to the story than what Bay did and for that I am very disappointed. Were the graphics great? Yes but he didn't get what the Transformers are.

I understand what exodus is saying but you can also work around that. There are certain things the comic book did that would work extremely well in the movie.

The story in between, as exodus is saying, is varied but also very rich in detail.

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!).

They may be Transformers in your world, but in my world, they are poor imitations of the original. And no, we don't need the Dinobots, even though in the comics they were a bit better fleshed out.

You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

Here is where I will actually quote Barrack Obama: "Yes, we can!"

 

[exodus]

The thing is, you can say that on about any comic book movie. Batman fights deranged criminals. The story in between is just giving you the reason why he is.

I find it hilarious that people bash the hell out of Batman and Robin and yet love Transformers in the same breath. To me Transformers the Movie is the same thing that Batman and Robin is to the Batman franchise.

The thing is, is personally I wanted a cameo by Optimus Prime and to wait for him in the second movie. There is so much more depth and character to the story than what Bay did and for that I am very disappointed. Were the graphics great? Yes but he didn't get what the Transformers are.

I understand what exodus is saying but you can also work around that. There are certain things the comic book did that would work extremely well in the movie.

The story in between, as exodus is saying, is varied but also very rich in detail.

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!). You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

What you're suggesting would make the film 4 hours long. Young children, who these films are also geared for aren't going to sit still for that.

Once again, you aren't considering the business aspect of it nor are you including your targeted audience outside of comic book readers. Especially considering not everybody that knows Transformers reads comics. Hundreds of parents know Transformers thru their kids but they've never picked up a comic book. Still, the film has to cater to them as well inorder for it to make back it's budget.

Batman & Robin failed because it only catered to an audience that liked the live action TV show. Serenity failed to make more because Weldon didn't make a film for the mass public, only those fans that already knew "Firefly". Unfortunately with your suggestions, Transformers would be a financial flop because you aren't considering the audience beyond the fan base. Transformers is also a film to be released Internationally, so foreign audiences that aren't into comic book culture have to relate to it as well.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!).

They may be Transformers in your world, but in my world, they are poor imitations of the original. And no, we don't need the Dinobots, even though in the comics they were a bit better fleshed out.

You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

Here is where I will actually quote Barrack Obama: "Yes, we can!"

Dinobot! As in the Raptor from Beast Wars.

See, in my world, there is a clear distinction between G1 characters and their history. You are basically arguing the same thing I am.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Optimus Prime is the leader. That should be self explanatory.

Call me an old fogie, but I don't want any of your Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Beast of Burden, or any other later era generation freaky Transformers variations showing up in the movies.

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!). You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

What you're suggesting would make the film 4 hours long. Young children, who these films are also geared for aren't going to sit still for that.

Where am I suggesting a 4 hour movie? I just said, they can add in the Maximals and Predacons. But it doesn't have to be long. You can continue the story in sequels.

Once again, you aren't considering the business aspect of it nor are you including your targeted audience outside of comic book readers. Especially considering not everybody that knows Transformers reads comics. Hundreds of parents know Transformers thru their kids but they've never picked up a comic book. Still, the film has to cater to them as well inorder for it to make back it's budget.

What do you mean? Use Mirage's 'hologram' projector to make human characters for the Transformers. That is how you get around the budget. And people don't have to really understand who Mirage is.

Look at the Incredible Hulk and how much of that movie was geared toward comic book readers of that genre. I mean hell, the main guy he talks too is an obscured villain that no one really knows about. And all those little things in the Dark Knight? Samuel Sterns, I didn't even really know who the hell he was until I picked up a comic book and realized who he was. And he was one of the supporting characters in the Hulk.

Batman & Robin failed because it only catered to an audience that liked the live action TV show. Serenity failed to make more because Weldon didn't make a film for the mass public, only those fans that already knew "Firefly". Unfortunately with your suggestions, Transformers would be a financial flop because you aren't considering the audience beyond the fan base. Transformers is also a film to be released Internationally, so foreign audiences that aren't into comic book culture have to relate to it as well.

Batman and Robin failed because it was an utter piece of shit, mind you. And the product placements. Plus -- well there are a million reasons why.

Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk they CATERED toward the comic book audience. But they were a huge success. What I believe Transformers should have been is something like Iron Man or the Incredible Hulk.

And you don't know what I want. I simply want strong characterization of the Transformers. Characterization is something that most people can relate to.

Why was the Dark Knight so successful?

 

[John Picard]

Optimus Prime is a leader YES but what the comics did so well and partly in the cartoon was show his group of commanders.

The reason why Optimus is such a great character is he has flaws. And characters like Prowl, Iron Hide, and even Ratchet fill in those flaws. Jazz too.

Why not? They are all part of Transformers. And remember they are simply robots as well. They also add depth and character to the story (Dinobot!).

They may be Transformers in your world, but in my world, they are poor imitations of the original. And no, we don't need the Dinobots, even though in the comics they were a bit better fleshed out.

You can't have Transformers without the Maximals and the Predacons.

Here is where I will actually quote Barrack Obama: "Yes, we can!"

Dinobot! As in the Raptor from Beast Wars.

See, in my world, there is a clear distinction between G1 characters and their history. You are basically arguing the same thing I am.

No! Keep your Beast Wars, Ultimate Transformer, and GoBots to yourself.

 

[Stevil2001]

I think the only audience that Iron Man catered to was the "liking good movies" audience. Success or failure comes from that, not from some perceived faithfulness to decades-old source material.

Anyway, if there were Beast Wars characters in Transformers 2, I might actually go see it.

 

[Unicron]

Well, the first movie was clearly G1 influenced but not all G1. The fact a couple characters were original (Blackout and Barricade) and some more mystic concepts were introduced such as the Allspark show that it isn't afraid to borrow from TF's huge mythology. I mean, TF has over 20 years of history, why confine its influence to just a few years?

Well, I don't think G1 should be the only influence, but as you said, the first film did draw a lot of its influences from that. Whereas Armada, like most of the other spinoffs, is pretty much in its own continuity. The notion of having characters like Jetfire and Prime combine into a gestalt is something that's unique to that continuity. So I just think it would be an odd concept to use for the next movie's version of Jetfire.

To use a different analogy, it would be like if Bay had used the Powermaster version of Optimus while basing all of the other characters largely on their 1984 incarnations, rather than doing that with Prime as well. Since the PM version was an upgrade of Prime, it would have been odd for him to have a little transforming partner while nobody else did.

Am I making any sense, or just rambling as usual?

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

They may be Transformers in your world, but in my world, they are poor imitations of the original. And no, we don't need the Dinobots, even though in the comics they were a bit better fleshed out.

Here is where I will actually quote Barrack Obama: "Yes, we can!"

Dinobot! As in the Raptor from Beast Wars.

See, in my world, there is a clear distinction between G1 characters and their history. You are basically arguing the same thing I am.

No! Keep your Beast Wars, Ultimate Transformer, and GoBots to yourself.

GoBots? Man, those are cannon fodder for Transformers.

Beast Wars was a great TV show that expanded on Transformers.

 

[Unicron]

Nom nom nom!

 

[Sephiroth]

HEY!! the Go-Bots are like the K-Mart Transformers

 

[John Picard]

And before anyone suggests it, none of that Voltron crap either.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

they've also confirmed, Sideswipe is the new Corvette, Ravage is appearing and so is the combined Constructicons.

There was something on there saying that Ravage was the Audi R4 (hopefully it ain't)

Orci apparently confirms on TFW2005 that Jetfire appears and combines with Prime...

Not sure about this, but you wonder if it's to take on the Constructicon cons.

Also with the Chevy Volt, it's probably will be the next Autobot to be announced. I'm tipping it to be Wheeljack (if Wheeljack isn't that Saab model)

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

If they do have the Constructicons, what happens with Bonecrusher?

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

Only an images of Long Haul has been seen so far on TFW2005. Nothing else. So not sure what will happen with Bonecrusher?

 

[captcalhoun]

as i said earlier, i'm betting it's a 5-bot version of Dev (which was done in one of the newer G1 comics) and they use Hook, Mixmaster, Long Haul, Scrapper and Scavenger...

and BTW, Armada's part of the Unicron trilogy with Energon and Cybertron.

you can't talk about Transformers canon coherently. G1/G2/BW/BM all fall into a common time line, but even then there are seperate continuities. the US comics are seperate from the cartoons, the UK comics contain extra stories, the UK comics also did a seperate timeline featuring 'Earth Force', and then there's the Dreamwave and IDW G1 comics.

not to mention 'micro-continuities' like the Ladybird books or the choose-your-destiny books...

then there's RiD, the Unicron trilogy, Animated and the movie and where does Machine Wars come in?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

What do you all think of Arcee being in the film?