Please God, No! (Transformers 2 Rumor) (SPOILER!)

[exodus]

Tell me why we get something like Transformers and then tell me why we get something like the Dark Knight and we can't make Transformers into something like the Dark Knight?

Seriously?

You mean the last 3 or 4 pages of John Picard, Capt. Creig, God Magus & myself giving you facts and reasons wasn't already enough?

Tell me how good were the characterizations in Transformers?

Would you be happy if say Optimus's characterization was transferred to Batman?

While you might not like the comics, AS I SAID, it is a universal theme they could have transferred from the comics to the movie.

I have given you a lot of reasons on how they could tackled not only the budget problem but the universal problem as well.

Again, mass audiences didn't like the Incredible Hulk.

And no, I have heard complaints from people about Transformers that weren't huge Transformer fans.

Exodus -> Tell me, what is Transformers? And what was the movie?

The suggestion you gave about the budget problem isn't how things are done in the industry. Neither you nor I can fix the budget issues if we don't know how much money is allocated to it. The producers job is to budget what money is spent where. We also don't know the cost of the other industries in the business to make the film. As I said, we don't even know how much the asking price is to higher ILM. All that factors is. Just because you say: "Well they can do this!", doesn't make to so.

Transformer are good robots fighting bad robots.

The movie was good robots fighting bad robots.

I don't get it, one minute you're saying Hulk did well because it was all based on the comic. Now you say it didn't make money because it didn't appeal to the mass audience.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

To an extent...I am curiously wondering if Bay will return to their origins. Because their origins are very strong (Bluestreaker is very sad).

My biggest disappointment was this wasn't an origin story at all.

Transformers had a huge budget. 150 million dollars. That is a big budget.

But -- I'll respectfully disagree with you and just move on to the topic:

I do agree that there are better and stronger villains than the Fallen that they should have tapped before this.

 

[God Magnus]

Batman Begins/the Dark Knight did the same thing, trying to target a younger audience as well. But would you bring in kids to the Dark Knight?

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Batman Begins/the Dark Knight did the same thing, trying to target a younger audience as well. But would you bring in kids to the Dark Knight?

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

 

[God Magnus]

Batman Begins/the Dark Knight did the same thing, trying to target a younger audience as well. But would you bring in kids to the Dark Knight?

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

I'd say starting around age 9 or 10. That's about the age I was when I started watching lots of scifi and adventure movies (either on tape or in theaters).

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

I'd say starting around age 9 or 10. That's about the age I was when I started watching lots of scifi and adventure movies (either on tape or in theaters).

Punisher was a bad movie to reference, sorry about that. Yuck. Hell, the comic books are even for a more mature audience And what ever happened to Blade?

But no one under 9 or 10? Wasn't the cartoon marketed toward a younger audience?

 

[exodus]

Batman Begins/the Dark Knight did the same thing, trying to target a younger audience as well. But would you bring in kids to the Dark Knight?

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

Those are both Rated-R.

I was in the theater and this couple brought their young son to see Blade with them. He couldn't have been more than 7. He was so terrified by what he saw, he jumped out of his seat, started crying and running circles. He was so scared, he even peed himself. I felt so very bad for him because you know he probably didn't sleep for weeks. I was pissed at the parents for bringing him to a Rated-R vampire movie he had no business being at.

 

[Captain Craig]

Batman Begins/the Dark Knight did the same thing, trying to target a younger audience as well. But would you bring in kids to the Dark Knight?

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

I don't think the average kid under 12 should've been at TDK. Not just because of those sick scenes but its length and exposition isn't something most kids today that young can or will sit through.

When Blade2 opened my brother-in-law and i went to a 10:20pm showing and some couple brought their 6yr old with them. He was a distrubance nearly the whole time.

Also as a side nitpick: its CRAIG not CREIG. thanks

 

[exodus]

^^Sorry.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Yes I would. And judging by the audiences I saw this summer, plenty of parents did.

But how young?

Would you bring kids to the Punisher? To Blade?

I don't think the average kid under 12 should've been at TDK. Not just because of those sick scenes but its length and exposition isn't something most kids today that young can or will sit through.

Length is definitely a factor (Transformers was long as hell too).

 

[God Magnus]

But no one under 9 or 10? Wasn't the cartoon marketed toward a younger audience?

I choose that at the age cut off because most kids I know up to about the age of 8 get cranky sitting in the same place for two hours. It's not about the movie's content as much as it is about the child's ability to understand and enjoy the movie (and not disturb the audience).

That said, I did see a kid about 7/8 years old sit through "Transformers" completely mesmerized for two hours. At the end, he was exhausted, but happy so I'm not saying all kids would act badly.

 

[roguephoenix]

they're finally making these movies... but focusing on obscure characters no one wants to see. >_< great...

 

[Bishbot]

But no one under 9 or 10? Wasn't the cartoon marketed toward a younger audience?

I choose that at the age cut off because most kids I know up to about the age of 8 get cranky sitting in the same place for two hours. It's not about the movie's content as much as it is about the child's ability to understand and enjoy the movie (and not disturb the audience).

That said, I did see a kid about 7/8 years old sit through "Transformers" completely mesmerized for two hours. At the end, he was exhausted, but happy so I'm not saying all kids would act badly.

Yeah I don't think length is too big a factor once the kid is over the age of seven or eight. I took my little brother to see it when he was seven and he was entranced. He couldn't sit still, of course, because he was seven, but he never took his eyes off the screen. Although, I did notice with some sadness, the difference in our ages: I came out wanting to buy the toys (I was 20 at the time) he came out asking for the videogame... sad times.

 

[God Magnus]

they're finally making these movies... but focusing on obscure characters no one wants to see. >_< great...

A majority of the characters are hardly "obscure". Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Ironhide, Starscream, Megatron and Frenzy are not obscure to any TF fan. If the rumors are true and the Constructicons are being brought into it, they're among the most well known Transformers out there. Same for the rumored Sideswipe and Wheeljack.

 

[captcalhoun]

you mean 'Sideswipe and the rumoured Wheeljack'.

Ravage is confirmed too, hardly obscure either...

you want obscure, try casting Horsepower, Playback and Chuffer!

 

[God Magnus]

you mean 'Sideswipe and the rumoured Wheeljack'.

Ravage is confirmed too, hardly obscure either...

you want obscure, try casting Horsepower, Playback and Chuffer!

I guess I'm taking a lot with a grain of salt right now since Bay has said he would do a "misinformation" campaign. But yes, Sideswipe is "more confirmed" than Wheeljack.

 

[John Picard]

^^ Along the lines of obscure, how about The Omnibots? Camshaft, Downshift, and Overdrive. Those were special order Autobots back during G1. Then, there were the gestalts that made up Reflector as well as the Deluxe Autobots: Whirl (A helicopter), and a jeep, whose name escapes me. Of all of my collection that I sold off when E-Bay first started, I wish I had kept the Deluxe Autobots as well as Jetfire (Skyfire).

 

[Aragorn]

I want Topspin and Twintwist in this movie, damnit!

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

I'd be happy if the movie didn't focus on the star of Spielberg's pedo fantasies. Err, I mean, Shia LeBeouf or however you spell that gay ass name. (And I do mean that in the actual use of the term 'gay' as names don't get more flamingly homosexual than that.)

Mini-rant aside, I'd really like to see the film stay focused on the Transformers. The actual characters that they are, what they're doing, etc. I don't want to just see them on the scream for a few minutes of action, one or two lines of dialogue (especially horribly racist dialogue -- poor Jazz) and then delegated to the background so Stupid Human Kid can tell us everything we need to know, let alone so his parents can tell a masturbation joke.

In other words, I want them to be the stars of the movie. Not just a pretty backdrop.

 

[captcalhoun]

the Deluxe Autobots: Whirl (A helicopter), and a jeep, whose name escapes me.

Roadbuster.

Roadbuster and Whirl made a number of appearances in the Marvel UK comics even though they were never released in the UK as toys...