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Pink Floyd - The Endless River

Right, because what defines Pink Floyd is how offensive it is. :wtf:

No, not at all.

Inoffensive in the way of mild, without any sort of abrasive edge. Safe and middle of the road...

I agree.

Momentary Lapse.. and The Division Bell are perfectly decent records. But compare those to Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here.

Not even close, IMHO.
 
No Piper At The Gates Of Dawn for you, then?

Nope.

Floyd for me runs from Wish You Were Here to Final Cut, with bits of Meddle. I don't mind Lapse and Division Bell, but they're rather too inoffensive for my tastes.

Don't ask me about the total unforgivable blandout of Gilmours On An Island...
Wait. So, no Dark Side? Really?

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm relatively a new fan of Floyd. Right now, it's Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. The rest... I haven't yet been motivated...
 
After reading this...I might have to add it the Media want list. (After the new AC/DC of course.)My favorite is "Wish You Were Here" then "Darkside of the Moon" then "The Wall". Haven't made it passed that...yet.
 
No Piper At The Gates Of Dawn for you, then?

Nope.

Floyd for me runs from Wish You Were Here to Final Cut, with bits of Meddle. I don't mind Lapse and Division Bell, but they're rather too inoffensive for my tastes.

Don't ask me about the total unforgivable blandout of Gilmours On An Island...
Wait. So, no Dark Side? Really?

Really.

Firstly, it's a bit overrated. Not that it's bad, it's a great record, just a little bit over appreciated.

Secondly, I'm utterly sick of it. I still like 'Time', but I've had enough of the album...
 
Fair enough. I recognise it as a great record, but it's not on my playlist, the PF records on it are 'WYWH' and 'Animals', plus individual tracks like 'Eugene' and 'Dogs of War'.
 
Obvious concept of concept album is obvious.

It's really amazing that, amidst the social media cacophony of "Gilmore is not Floyd!" and "It's not Floyd without Waters!" #putdownthefuckinghammeralready and Gilmour and Mason specifically stating exactly what this album is supposed to be, so many have missed the point entirely.

If that wasn't enough, they were pretty heavy-handed with the naming scheme. (The music is) "Louder than Words" is about as obvious as it anything can be obvious. Aside from being a direct barb at Waters, it does pretty much sum up the whole concept nice and tidily.

"On Noodle Street" is simply a bit of self-deprecation on Gilmour's part and his way of owning up to the primary criticism of the so-called Gilmour-Floyd Era.

And the short "Unsung" is clearly meant to be a posthumous heralding as it leads right into "Anisina" which plays direct counterpoint against Wright's masterwork "The Violence Sequence," which ultimately became the climax of the band's most coveted work.

And how does one plagiarize oneself? Every artist in existence, regardless of medium, has a finite pool of ideas he or she draws upon. Hell, look at some of the most famous/prolific film composers of the last 50 years; most of them have reused whole melodic passages more than once. But you'd never call it plagiarism. More importantly, sounding a bit like one did in the past is a fry cry from recycling old material note for note.

But once again: the musical core of Pink Floyd sounding like the musical core of Pink Floyd was the whole fucking point!

And saying you "could hear essentially every album they've ever made" is a bit ridiculous. Tonally, it mostly sounds like TDB, which is understandable since, you know, it's the other half of TDB. And there is a clear difference between what Gilmour recorded back then and what he added now--since his guitar (wood), pickups, and amps are all different. "Surfacing" is obviously a new one since it sounds like it came strait off On an Island.

There are only two songs that sound like old songs. Both cases were intentional.

"It's What We Do" (All three of us.) is another name gone obvious. It's the song that sounds most like an old song, the band's capstone: a nine part opus that spans 25+ minutes and consists of three short verses. For which, the other guy gets all the credit and he basically just wrote the three short verses.

The other one is "Allons-Y" which is a double (triple) entendre of a name. (Let it marinade for awhile.) It's Gilmour reminding everyone that he was there too, by reclaiming his signature guitar riff from Kilminster and his fucking hair flip.

The song is broken up by "Autumn '68" that is a reminder that, despite Wright's untimely and unnecessary departure during the Waters era, there were a few short months were Wright was the de facto front man. The haunting pipe organ (recorded droning that time) breaks down the wall--sort of speak--as if Wright is calling out from the afterlife not to so easily be dismissed. It's haunting and the pinnacle of the album.

The Endless River is really the three securing the respect they've long been due. They are saying that Pink Floyd was not just Waters--quite the contrary. In fact, had it not been for them (Gilmour, Wright) "Wish You Where Here" would just be a forgotten overly sentimental poem buried in Waters's closet behind the suitcase of the left. The album is a reminder that, as a listening experience, Pink Floyd has all ways been first and foremost about the music, and, as the core creators and contributors to the band's sonic identity, they deserve way more respect than they're given.

Wow! My thoughts exactly! Thanks for putting words on them! :techman:
 
Mason is an adequate drummer, Wright a fine keyboatd player. Gilmour's a damned genius. I'm not sure which of the two solo's on Comfortably Numb is the greatest guitar solo ever, but one of 'em is. Together with an O.K. bass player names Waters they formed and shaped the sound of Floyd.

The musical 'rod' down the middle of later Floyd (which is the only material I give a single solitary stuff about), holding it up and giving it direction and purpose, is that O.K. bass players politically and socially charged songwriting.

Without that, Gilmour resorts to the sort of purposeless middle of the road noodling like On An Island. I detest that album.

Momentary Lapse and Division Bell are fine, if rather tame - I'm happy to give them house room, but I'm still unsure about buying the new one...
 
The Final Cut is probably my least favorite Pink Floyd album, and in my bottom 5 of all albums by bands I like.

The Final Cut is pretty much an expression of everything wrong with Roger Waters and a great showcase for why he only works when he has quality musicians that can restrain his excesses.
 
I actually like Final Cut, although it always felt like the leavings of what was removed from The Wall (much like this new one is for TDB). You can even hear some Wall measures and themes interwoven inside the instrumentation. Which I'm okay with, BTW, but I can understand why many don't like it.

As for the solo albums I loved all of Waters' and Gilmour's About Face (Murder is one of my all time favorite songs), but his "Island" thing IMO was absolute shit. Honestly don't know what he was trying to do there. Flipped it on EBay a day after I got it. Such a disappointment...
 
As for the solo albums I loved all of Waters'...

I think he was hit and miss as a solo artist.

I do absolutely love his live DVD In The Flesh. My favorite tune:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbxZHQcOTs[/yt]


I encourage fans, if you haven't already done so, to check out Mark Blake's Comfortably Numb: The Inside Story of Pink Floyd.

http://www.amazon.com/Comfortably-Numb-Inside-Story-Floyd/dp/0306817527

It's a good read. Water's (as we all know) is basically a driven, controlling bastard who also pushed the band hard to the next levels, while Gilmour was a decent guy who was kind of meandering....
 
Oh, and I forgot: Waters' recent tour of The Wall was the best concert I've ever seen (saw it twice). Incredible production.

:techman:
 
Love the Floyd. Love the Barrett period (I like to include the 1967: The First Three Singles as a mini-record, since its an official release and all), of course the Waters era, and the Gilmour era.

Listened to all of them recently in prep for The Endless River, and I must admit, that transitional period between Saucerful of Secrets and Meddle was really the weakest period of the band. Not a bad one, but definitely one where they were experimenting and working things out more. I've not yet listened to this one, but some of the tracks I did listen to in YT, and I liked.
 
I think Endless River is exactly as advertised ... and, as someone who really enjoyed The Division Bell (and thought that would be the last we'd ever hear from Pink Floyd) I'm thrilled by what we now have. It's not new, or innovative, or groundbreaking. But that was kinda the whole point. It was a return to twenty (20!) years ago. And a gift to the fans, at that.

Sure, tastes vary. But there's more than enough in this release for it to stand on its own as bona fide Pink Floyd album.
 
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