Picard Season one.... I miss Star Trek

[Vger23]

The thing I find most amazing is that this same, recycled, repetitive discussion about "what REAL Star Trek is" hasn't become tedious yet.

The lesson to be learned here is that Star Trek is many things to many people. That's what makes it special. Not "The Vision," production design, continuity, visual effects, deflector dishes, lack of/inclusion of violence, gazelle speeches, or fanwanky DS9 references.

 

[fireproof78]

I will never understand fandom and the continual inability to accept that not liking something does not equal “not true [insert title here].”

The thing I find most amazing is that this same, recycled, repetitive discussion about "what REAL Star Trek is" hasn't become tedious yet.

The lesson to be learned here is that Star Trek is many things to many people. That's what makes it special. Not "The Vision," production design, continuity, visual effects, deflector dishes, lack of/inclusion of violence, gazelle speeches, or fanwanky DS9 references.

Completely agree. I do not understand the need to put Star Trek in box and state that the box is so inflexible that any change is to be rejected out of hand.

 

[Ovation]

The thing I find most amazing is that this same, recycled, repetitive discussion about "what REAL Star Trek is" hasn't become tedious yet.

The lesson to be learned here is that Star Trek is many things to many people. That's what makes it special. Not "The Vision," production design, continuity, visual effects, deflector dishes, lack of/inclusion of violence, gazelle speeches, or fanwanky DS9 references.

Hey. HEY! Just what do you have against gazelle speeches?!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gazelle speeches are what Stat Trek is all about.

 

[Campe]

Gazelles and Brian Brophy.

 

[hayesc0]

For me this shit is awful but I hate discovery also and only liked the trek 2009 movie but even then I did not get the trek feeling in much of that movie. I honestly haven't been happy with trek for a decade tbh. I thought Picard would be a return to what I like but nope.

 

[Therin of Andor]

the people now in charge of it simply don't understand what it's supposed to be.

Many of the team are life-long Trek fans. They have opinions as strong as yours about what Trek means to them. What suddenly makes you the sole arbiter of good Trek taste?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Picard ended up with a message of hope.

 

[Paradise City]

It's legitimate to miss the original Trek formula. That's as good and as a bad a view as any other view.

You could revive the original formula and make it work. You could overturn the original formula and make it work. No instrinsic reason why you can't go in either direction - no reason why you can't screw it up either.

Data committing suicide at the approximate age of 40 is just an underwhelmingly muddled thing. Can he not just turn himself off and ask his pals to cremate his body? The synths stuff is such a big thing it has Romulan tough girls falling around committing suicide but when the big day arrives the suddenly very trusting Commodore Oh goes home when Riker quotes a treaty and can take home an *I promise* that the synths won't summon Species 90210. All that's just nonsense.

Star Trek or not, Picard season one ended up by giving me a shoulder shrug.

I'm still curious though how Robo-Picard will turn out next year.

 

[fireproof78]

You could revive the original formula and make it work. You could overturn the original formula and make it work. No instrinsic reason why you can't go in either direction - no reason why you can't screw it up either.

But why?

 

[Paradise City]

But why?

But why what?

 

[fireproof78]

But why what?

Why repeat a formula? What is gained by revisiting the past in a series supposedly about the future of humanity?

 

[Paradise City]

Why repeat a formula? What is gained by revisiting the past in a series supposedly about the future of humanity?

Odd remark. Why wouldn't you repeat an inspirational formula? The future of humanity has been thought about for millennia. Why stop? Friendship, optimism has been thought about for millennia. Why stop? Adventure too. These ingredients have fuelled good drama for forever and will do so in the future after we're all dead and gone.

 

[fireproof78]

Odd remark. Why wouldn't you repeat an inspirational formula? The future of humanity has been thought about for millennia. Why stop? Friendship, optimism has been thought about for millennia. Why stop? Adventure too. These ingredients have fuelled good drama for forever and will do so in the future after we're all dead and gone.

What's odd about it? When I hear repeating a formula that doesn't inspire me.

 

[Paradise City]

What's odd about it? When I hear repeating a formula that doesn't inspire me.

It's an odd question for the reasons I've outlined. There's nothing new under the sun in drama. People will always be inspired by optimism, exploration and adventure.

 

[fireproof78]

It's an odd question for the reasons I've outlined. There's nothing new under the sun in drama. People will always be inspired by optimism, exploration and adventure.

That to me is not a formula but elements.

But, mileage will vary.

 

[Paradise City]

That to me is not a formula but elements.

But, mileage will vary.

They are ingredients in a formula. Many of the finest and popular dishes in the world are old dishes with old ingredients.

 

[fireproof78]

They are ingredients in a formula. Many of the finest and popular dishes in the world are old dishes with old ingredients.

Never mind. We are talking past each other and now irrelevant examples are being brought it.

Recipe in art are how we get TWOK rip offs time and again. Suffice to say I do not feel that formulas are a good way to make art.

 

[Khan Jr]

Plagiarizing the ending of Bicentennial Man is definitely not a good way to make art.

 

[fireproof78]

Plagiarizing the ending of Bicentennial Man is definitely not a good way to make art.

It depends.