Picard Season 3 Teaser Trailer
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Why do you like Dark Trek instead of Star Trek?
Fenris Rangers, Section 31 etc wild wild west.
We only would like old Star Trek with Starfleet.
With five Star Trek series on at the same time for the foreseeable future, we can afford to have one that focuses on the Fenris Rangers. Not that I think it'll happen but, unlike you, I'm not rigidly opposed to the idea.
You can't have multiple series on at the same time that are all clones of each other.
Well, Fenris Rangers are a bunch of heroes in the Star Trek universe doing their best to help rebuild Romulan Space.
Section 31 is a bunch of space fascists who are against the ideals of Trek.
You don't think with five Star Trek shows, we can get experimental?
But one of the most GROSS wastes of a premise was Seven becoming the captain of the Stargazer after Rios, ruining both characters.
What I like is a fully fleshed out world with real world style consequences. Old Star Trek was nice and episodic and didn't bother dealing with the consequences. New Trek, to it's credit, is actually trying to follow up on consequences and recognizing that not everything is nice and clean cut.
Fenris Rangers are doing their best in a difficult situation due to the Federation and the Romulans unwillingness to manage the fallout.
Section 31 is the uncomfortable idea that there are some people who believe "by any means necessary" is required in the galaxy. It should be challenged and opposed, but that doesn't it make it less Star Trek. Star Trek should be dealing with all aspects of humanity not just the ones we find safe.
I don't just want old Trek. I have old Trek. If this is all that is wanted stop making new Trek and just suffice on rewatching the old stuff.
'We'? Please don't speak for everyone.
I don't see the Fenris Rangers as anti-Federation or anti-Trek or anything like that. Remember, they operate outside of Federation territory.
Indeed, I can see Starfleet actually helping the Rangers - training, supplies, whatever is needed. The Rangers operate where Starfleet can't.
Indeed, I can see Starfleet actually helping the Rangers - training, supplies, whatever is needed. The Rangers operate where Starfleet can't.
I mean, in many ways, TOS was supposed to be a space western anyway...
Even DS9, of which you must be a fan based on your avatar is essentially supposed to be a wild west town in space.
I've got a feeling he hasn't watched DS9 in years and only partially remembers it. "The part that's always Starfleet and isn't dark!"
DS9 wasn't dark. Even compared to popular television of the time.
I dunno. Some of those corridors on the station didn't have the brightest lighting.
Oh, wait. That's not what you meant, is it?
Some episodes got dark.
Relative to what was on TV at the time?
No.
No.
Missing the point completely.
Let me bring it back into focus: DS9 and PIC are about as "dark" as each other. So for someone to say DS9 isn't dark but PIC somehow is would be completely hypocritical.
One of my favorite shows in the late-'90s and early-'00s was Oz. DS9 is nothing compared to that show.
Let me bring it back into focus: DS9 and PIC are about as "dark" as each other. So for someone to say DS9 isn't dark but PIC somehow is would be completely hypocritical.
One of my favorite shows in the late-'90s and early-'00s was Oz. DS9 is nothing compared to that show.
I don't remember DS9 showing a strait-up decapitation. Or have a beloved character point-blank execute someone out of revenge. Or have (rather suggestively) implied Romulan incest.
*Though I would agree that doesn't make PIC "dark" so much as edgelord puerile.
*Though I would agree that doesn't make PIC "dark" so much as edgelord puerile.
We both agree with the same end conclusion. How we got there doesn't really matter.
Nope, DS9 didn’t have a beloved character executing someone out of revenge… that was TNG, when Worf straight up murdered Duras because he had killed Worf’s ex-girlfriend.
Just terrorist bombings (multiple instances)
Kamikaze attacks by Dominion vessels
Multiple "horrors of war" episodes (Jake and Julian getting stranded on that planet, Nog losing his leg for two)
That Vedek that hung themselves
More of a TNG but the Duras sisters always seemed awfully into each other (and really if we are having a go at series/franchises for implied incest I raise you one Star Wars - actually less implied in Wars tbf)
All of which were cartoonish in their depictions and suggestive in their presentation, encased behind pew pew beams and turtle heads. Which, of course, was the whole point. I don't know why people get so upset when reminded their children's show was childish. And before someone gets upset and insists DS9 wasn't, let I remind them that it had TWO insert characters for children.
But really any of this stuff is really "dark," a word that gets thrown around way too much. "Edgy" is a much better word. Nonetheless, the Picard examples are much more real or palpable --or even authentic-- in their depictions.
However, none of these things are at all relatable or tangible, they're very ethereal in nature. Lofty and grand in concept, which was fine for TNG. But never really lived up to potential in DS9, since it never dared to dive into the greater implication and impact, instead limiting itself to the immediate and personal existential. Pale Moonlight being the obvious example. No one here knows what it means to be a high-ranking military officer commit a war crime and wash it away with a self-apologetic justification and a stiff drink and then never have to worry about fallout or consequence. However, pretty much everyone in the world has been affected by the fallout and consequence of a similar military person making a similar decision, even if indirectly.
Compare that to the famous scene of Homicide between Braugher and Buscemi. (Which, for reference, aired the same week as "Destiny".) It's real. You could be standing in line at the market right now reading TBBS on your phone and the guy standing in front of you could be Buscemi's character -- or least in all but the actual murderer part (yet). That's dark.
But really any of this stuff is really "dark," a word that gets thrown around way too much. "Edgy" is a much better word. Nonetheless, the Picard examples are much more real or palpable --or even authentic-- in their depictions.
However, none of these things are at all relatable or tangible, they're very ethereal in nature. Lofty and grand in concept, which was fine for TNG. But never really lived up to potential in DS9, since it never dared to dive into the greater implication and impact, instead limiting itself to the immediate and personal existential. Pale Moonlight being the obvious example. No one here knows what it means to be a high-ranking military officer commit a war crime and wash it away with a self-apologetic justification and a stiff drink and then never have to worry about fallout or consequence. However, pretty much everyone in the world has been affected by the fallout and consequence of a similar military person making a similar decision, even if indirectly.
Compare that to the famous scene of Homicide between Braugher and Buscemi. (Which, for reference, aired the same week as "Destiny".) It's real. You could be standing in line at the market right now reading TBBS on your phone and the guy standing in front of you could be Buscemi's character -- or least in all but the actual murderer part (yet). That's dark.
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