That explains so much.
Picard Season 2's Time Travel Will Fix Season 1's Biggest Mistakes
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Nice try. But you are wrong....its been established in trek that in transport you are conscious.
Where did I say otherwise. There was no continuation of Consciousness in Lonely Among Us. When they form the new Picard at the end of the episode, he has no memory of his time in the nebula. Troi even says that this pattern was formed before he went into the nebula So, nice try. But you're STILL wrong.
"I can take your life and give it back to you with a snap of a finger." -- Q to Picard, "Tapestry" (TNG)
<--- Re-watched every single TNG episode right before Picard.
Not that I advocate Q taking Picard out of the gollum body because I don't. I want to see the idea and whether or not others think of Picard as being alive be put to the test. If they don't accept Picard, then -- on some level -- they don't accept Soji as alive and didn't accept Data as alive, or they're not realizating the disassociation. They can get a lot of mileage out of asking what life is.
"The inhabitants of Brax call you the God of Lies!" - Vash to Q, "Q-Less" (DS9)
Of course they can. The entire away team was killed in Hide and Q. After a finger snap, they were alive and back on the bridge in one piece.
Nah, no more real than a respawn after losing a holodeck match.
Snatched away at the moment of the spear going in.
Bev and the Doctor have more genuine claims to bringing back the dead than the guy who can fake situations like Mysterio in Spider-Man: Far From Home.
This time?
I'm confused by this "conscious" thing. I've been unconscious several times in my life, under anesthetic and from accidents. That's different to death. Riker was unconcious in Shades of Grey when he was beamed to sickbay, is he the same person that got stung on the planet?
Death was discussed in Voyager's Mortal Coil, and Emanations to name just two. There may be some sort of "soul" in the trek verse
Voyager also has the whole Kim/Deadlock and Tuvix issues when it comes to "is X the same person". In Mortal Coil Neelix was dead for 18 hours, in Enemations the native was dead for just a few minutes. If the Doctor is alive, what happens when his program is off. Or transferred from one place to another. What about when he splits (backup program from Living Witness). How about transporter duplicates like Riker (Second Chances) or Kirk (Enemy Within)?
Louvois didn't know if Data had a soul, or if souls exist, but that's a question for philosophers and individuals.
Surely the only answer to "am I the same person" in trek, or indeed in life, is "what do you think".
I mean, I don't trust Q all that much but in terms of Picard and company's perception of Q's ability I would confident to say that Q can bring back the dead.
He made the P so he was conscious. So he got Amnesia...big deal. People for some reason think hes completely new. Hes not..
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Right. He wasn't a new Picard then, and he's not a new Picard now. I'm glad we're finally in agreement.
Nope. He is a complete construct now. The writers can tip toe around it all they like. But it was established in Picard that we are now watching an Android with Picards copied memories...nothing more...
Still the same Picard just in a new body. Better than the poor copy from Lonely among Us. Hate that episode.
Yeah, that's not how it works
Even lies need motivation. I don't know why he'd lie to Picard about that. His goal wasn't to deceive Picard, his goal was to make him embrace what he did in his youth instead of feeling ashamed of it. The motivation there was to knock Picard off his high-horse so he wouldn't think, "If only I'd always been like how I am right now."
He was a completely new construct after Lonely Among Us too. Not one single original molecule or atom remaind. You can't have it both ways.
What are talking about?? He was reconstructed via the transporter. He was still in a state of consciousness out in space. He was basically a matter stream...like Barclay he was still conscious..
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There's something very Trekkie about getting mad at Picard's consciousness being put in an android body, and thinking the "solution" would be for a magical being to just pop him back to life with a snap of the fingers. And probably in the same breath calling out the new show for "lazy writing."
Some folk get VERY hooked up on the mind/body thing, to the point that a non-organic body just makes Picard a "copy", even though it's explicitly stated that they migrated his consciousness to Data's storage thingy to keep continuity of consciousness whilst they prepped the golem. The mind has experienced no more disruption than being kept in a transport pattern buffer for a long time.
D&D tried pulling this shite on me when we played it as teens - some wizard captured us, we got free and whilst trying to find the way out we came across ourselves in some weird tanks. The game wanted us to angst about whether these were clones or whether... GASP!! - WE were the clones!
I went "I'm me, or at least I'm me to the point that I can't tell the difference" and went Riker on the clone (or was it? who knows? who gives a shit?).
Clone me, upload me, whatever... if the new version is good enough even I couldn't tell it wasn't me, then it IS me.
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