I though the giant hand in space was pretty sillyYou mean like traveling at near light speeds on Impuse power, yet suffering NO relativistic effects from that whatsoever? - A situation dating back to the start of 'Star Trek' in 1966.
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Every source approved by CBS to this point, points to Hobus not being the Romulan home Star.
Yes, certainly. Though that is a line most people seems to be willing to disregard and I'm pretty sure Picard will too. It is treated as a disaster affecting the Romulan space only.
I guess. But I don't think their properties differed from normal novas, merely the cause.
And how many of these were canon?
Also, I already said earlier, that even if the star was at some distance, it can still be a normal supernova. It explodes, and the four or five yeas they have time to evacuate would be the time it takes the blast to reach Romulus.
I don't see a reason to disregard it. Just the means to correct were taken prior to it becoming worse. But, as I stated, I'm willing to wait and see what happens in the show and what they do with the supernova. Certainly would enjoy hearing more about what would motivate Spock to do what he did.
You’re really wrapped up in canon? Either they’ll use the elements from before, or they won’t. If they do, then it becomes canon. As a matter of fact, I believe Star Charts makes an appearance in a movie, which does make Hobus being quite a bit away from Romulus canon.
But not being the source of the nova!
OK I give up, you're obviously not interested in discussing this properly.
Didn’t know I had to follow your rules?
Well now you do.
I have basically said in every post I've made on this topic: 'the canon sources say this, so based on that I conclude this and suspect that.' And having constantly be 'countered' with: 'but that cannot be, because this non-canon thing says this!' is pretty tiresome, and pointless.
Countdown from 2009 is canon until contradicted by new material. Nothing has contradicted Hobus so far.
The Hobus shockwave increased in speed and intensity with every system it hit. That's why it got stronger and faster. The black hole counteracted the explosive effect with an implosion if you will.
The Hobus shockwave increased in speed and intensity with every system it hit. That's why it got stronger and faster. The black hole counteracted the explosive effect with an implosion if you will.
Then back the fuck out of the conversation so you don’t have to read it. You don’t get to set the parameters of the discussion.
It’s not. What is on screen is precious canon. I was just pointing out what the thinking was of the writers of the movie (and that nothing on screen contradicted it, yet). One of which worked on the comic.
No, it was never canon.
Roberto Orci: OK, based on that then with you Anthony Pascale as a witness, I hereby declare anything that we oversee to be canon.
While obviously part of an interview where he was kinda pushed, and isn't being serious, I see no reason to dismiss things until dismissed by on screen material.
While obviously part of an interview where he was kinda pushed, and isn't being serious, I see no reason to dismiss things until dismissed by on screen material.
Proof we will argue about anything.
Ok, I'm looking forward o your interesting contributions to discussions about Data in Picard and trying to forcibly shove his Countdown career in.
That doesn’t make any sense. No one claimed that it was canon. Just that elements of it might be brought into Picard. It isn’t an all or nothing proposition.
As I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned to you before, Orci immediately backtracked right after that interview. Pascale was just being a jackass and Orci just said that to shut him up; he really didn’t mean it at all. The comic is not canon. Never mind the fact that Orci is not in a position to dictate canon anyway since he’s no longer involved in any Star Trek productions.
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This is a bit unfair, even if they aren't canon, there are still a lot of good ideas in the books and comics, and there is no reason they can't be used a reference point for where things could potentially go.
Now in the case of Countdown, this was actually worked on by one of the co-writers of the movie, so it does reflect some of the ideas of at least one of the people who wrote the movie.
And Picard's tie ins are also overseen by Kirsten Beyer, who is a writer and producer on Picard, so there's a pretty good chance the writers room is aware of what the comics and novels are doing, and vice versa. I'm not sure how much direct imput she has on the novels, but I do know that David Mack, who wrote the first Discovery did say that some ideas he introduced in the book were incorporated into the show, and the book authors have been made aware of future plot points that impact their books.
But they don't need to bring anything from it. And considering how it needlessly made the situation far more stupid than it needs to be, they shouldn't. This has been my whole fucking point the whole time: both the plot of ST:09 (such as it is) and the setup of Picard can be explained with normal supernova. The magic superluminal supernova only exist in non-canon sources, and should stay there. Including it is unnecessary, and just adds pointless stupidity and confuses the matter. Even most Trek fans have not read the comic, let alone casual viewers.
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