Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by mattman8907, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. Longinus

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    It doesn't need to travel faster than light. The Fed evacuation fleet has years to complete the evacuation.

    Also, about 'without the warning,'we now a have a reason to suspect that Betelgeuse will go supernova soon. That 'soon' may mean tomorrow or it may mean in hundred thousand years. So even with better tech it might not be exact science. The Romulan scientists may have indeed known that the star will explode within next couple of millennia, and the empire may still have not taken necessary precautions. You don't need to look far to see how that sort of insanity could happen. Supernova talk gets branded as leftist fear mongering, and the Praetor promises to 'make the Romulus great again' instead of spending immeasurable resources and upend peoples lives to prepare for a calamity that probably doesn't happen during his lifetime. And people buy that, as the truth would be too uncomfortable and accepting it would mean making serious changes to their lifestyles.
     
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    I care about them too. I really like Stamets, Tilly, Saru, Culver and Burnham. I get that not everyone does but whew. Some people really can't forgive a thing that's not tailored to their exact taste I guess.
     
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    Do you understand that Memory Beta is source for non-canon stuff? The Hobus is not canon, the clip from ST:09 that contains all current canon material on the matter was linked in this thread earlier. No Hobus mentioned, nor it is clear from that what star exploded. Please stop confusing things by bringing up completely non-canonical concepts. (And yes, it is also possible that 'Hobus' would be the name of the Romulan star, but that is not necessary as the name 'Hobus' is not even mentioned in the canon.)
     
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    Sadly, that seems to be the case. :weep:

    I get it-not all characters are going to connect with all people. But, if I care about the characters then I'm going to follow the story. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't care about Burnham, and Lorca, Pike and Tilly, among others. I'm invested in them. They are interesting to me. I want to see the journey, whether it is to the post office or to save the multiverse.

    At this point I am just tired. Tired of having to explain that tastes vary in a franchise that supposedly embraces diversity. I'm just so very tired.
     
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    I didn't mean to imply that I didn't care about Discovery characters, I do (except Tyvoq, fuck that guy.) I merely meant that I don't care about stupid massive doom scenarios and a better way to create drama, suspense and tension it to make the thing that is 'threatened' something relatable.
     
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    A) I think we're all smart enough to be able to keep things straight.

    B) Star Trek: Countdown was worked on by Roberto Orci. So, while NOT CANNON!!! (Lord, I think I'm getting the vapors), it gives us an idea of what the original intent was, and nothing thus far on screen has superseded it.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that...

    That comic is completely irrelevant and it is annoying that people cite things from it like they mattered. And BTW, it obviously has been superceded, I'm pretty sure Data is not, nor ever was, the captain of the Enterprise in the Picard timeline. That comic made the stupid concept from ST:09 about ten times stupider, and there is zero reason to bring that stupidity into Picard, the plot doesn't require it.
     
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    Why is it annoying that people talk about elements of what they've seen/read? That seems incredibly silly to me on a Star Trek message board. You can always skip the post that so infuriates you.
     
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    Infuriating part is that people just do not seem to tel apart what actually was on screen and what wasn't. Like last page or two has just been people bringing up stuff from that comic in a general Picard discussion. Will you be citing fan fiction next?

    'It must be so because this and that happened.' Those things happened in a non-canon source, so there is absolutely no reason for the producers to make Picard sync with them. It is not like they're gonna put in how Data was repaired and was a captain of the Enterprise and then fell apart again either.
     
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    One is Paramount/CBS approved. The other isn’t.

    Once again, you are free to ignore the points brought up if canon is the only thing important to you.
     
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    Isn't there a separate Trek literature section? I though this section was for Star Trek: Picard? I truly think that just wildly mixing all sort of fanon and non-canon things into the discussion, especially if not citing them as such, is rather confusing and ultimately makes the discussion pointless as there is no common frame of reference.
     
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    Star Trek: Countdown has elements that feed into Picard. Not seeing the issue?
     
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    If I had to guess, it's that not everyone has read or wants to read the comics. Which creates a disparity in available information. It's hard to have a discussion that way.
     
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    *sigh* Of course you don't.

    Well, it is pointless to continue to discuss what the known facts about the supernova catastrophe imply, as we do not seem to be able to agree what those fact are to begin with.
     
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    Because there isn't a issue, save for what Picard will honor. Obviously, we won't know until the air date.
     
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    It really isn’t. There are places all over the internet that explain in concise fashion what took place, if one is interested. I haven’t read Countdown in ten years, and I can still keep up.

    If you want to blame anyone, blame Kurtzman.
     
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    I thought we already did


    ;)
     
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    Even if you discard the comic, we still don’t agree on the details.

    The comics merely offer insight to what the writers were thinking at the time.
     
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    We might not agree on what the information implies, but we would at least be using the same information, which I think is the basis of any meaningful discussion.

    My opinion is that nothing apart Spock's comment about the nova threatening the galaxy implies or requires it to be anything besides a normal supernova. If someone wants to argue against that based on canon evidence I will gladly hear it out.
     
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    But, a comic isn't considered canon by all sides, so therefor the discussion cannot move forward...right?

    Also, if the supernova threatens the entire galaxy implies, to me, a not normal supernova. Heck, VOY saw multiple novas caused by the Q civil war. Maybe it is like that?
     
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