I'm glad they love it. I love it too.
Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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The point is, that's the output of the people behind this show. If you think it's bollocks you're probably in for a frustrating time.
Most stories are that way. If we want to get existential and a bit nihilistic about it then of course it doesn't matter.
For me, its about having something bigger than myself to explore and be interested in. I am fascinated by the metaphysical, the multiverse, parallel dimensions and galaxies as a whole. Star Trek has gods, and monsters and all kinds of fantasy style tropes. The end of the world/galaxy/multiverse is just another tool. Some will like it and others won't.
Of course you do...
I think this thing came to its (il)logical conclusion point during the first season of Discovery. An event happening in one universe, threatened to destroy the entire multiverse. Our heroes stopped that. But there must be countless alternate universes where they didn't... Also there must be countless other universes where similar thing has happened at some other point in time. Yet the multiverse exists... So I guess Q saves it every time or something? So what the characters do really doesn't matter.
It is trite meaningless bullshit. Give me people I care about and their fate will matter more than whatever implausible nonsense doom scenario the writers have came up with this week. On Discovery I cared much more what happened to Saru's people than I care about the universe or multiverse or all that crap. Because they spend some time showing these people and make me care about them and it actually seemed possible that something bad could happen to them.
Ok...sorry.
ETA: I care about the characters but not everyone does. So that impacts engagement with the story.
From co-writer Alex Kurtzman, whose first season of Discovery threatened to destroy the entire multiverse? And in season 2 every inhabited world in the galaxy? You may not want the stakes to be so ridiculously over the top, but I'm pretty sure they love it.
Going by the Star Trek Star Charts and Stellar Cartography location of Hobus and Romulus, this is the damage done when Spock stopped it:
Wipes out the central parts of Romulan civilizationa jud stops short of the neutral zone.
I can see why the Romulans might have been suspicious and pissed.
Clearly not a traditional super nova though, which is why they might skirt over the details instead of going all technobabble to explain how a supernova is travelling at warp speeds and continually expanding.
As I have already noted about seven million times, nothing in the plot actually requires it to be anything other than a normal supernova.
I'm sure you could maybe 30000 people or more but it doesn't really matter. It's still going to take a lot of ships to move a planetary population.
If it devastated such a large part of Romulan space, it must be more than a normal supernova though.
That large part shown in that completely made up fan map you mean? Furthermore, as I already said, a normal supernova is dangerous up to hundred light yeas. If that is in the centre of your star empire, then that's all your core worlds gone or damaged.
How it is shown in the film makes absolutely no sense. You must assume that the images are not shown in the chronological order. The explosion must have only happened when Spock was already near the star.
To move from one star system to another that quickly, it would have to have some kind of FTL component to it.
A normal supernova doesn't travel faster than light, nor does it just explode without warning. They'd have hundreds of years after the supernova to evacuate and relocate their Empire and prepare for the devastation. I think they'll skirt over it or maybe Spock was being overly dramatic about it. But it happened in the prime universe no doubt about it.
What other star system? There is no other star system! There is no Hobus!
Also, from that recap we cannot know how long time passed between events. If the star indeed was not the Romulan star, then it can have exploded, Spock can have his talk with Romulans, prepare his red matter delivery system etc. It could have taken years, and the end we see when the blast finally reaches the Romulus. Except in that case it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't know when it happens, or that he could stop the blast from its edge. But those are issues in any scenario when the star is not the Romulan star. And as nothing in the actual (canonical) events really strongly suggest otherwise, it may as well be the Romulan star as that scenario is the least stupid.
If it is the "Hobus" supernova, then odds are there was a Hobus star that created it. Unless we're working under the assumption that the Romulans call their own star Hobus?
This is what Memory Beta has on it...
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Hobus
It doesn't need to travel faster than light. The Fed evacuation fleet has years to complete the evacuation.
Also, about 'without the warning,'we now a have a reason to suspect that Betelgeuse will go supernova soon. That 'soon' may mean tomorrow or it may mean in hundred thousand years. So even with better tech it might not be exact science. The Romulan scientists may have indeed known that the star will explode within next couple of millennia, and the empire may still have not taken necessary precautions. You don't need to look far to see how that sort of insanity could happen. Supernova talk gets branded as leftist fear mongering, and the Praetor promises to 'make the Romulus great again' instead of spending immeasurable resources and upend peoples lives to prepare for a calamity that probably doesn't happen during his lifetime. And people buy that, as the truth would be too uncomfortable and accepting it would mean making serious changes to their lifestyles.
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