From this review: https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01/09/star-trek-picard-children-of-mars-rogue-synth-android-data
Not sure what those things on the left screen are
Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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From this review: https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01/09/star-trek-picard-children-of-mars-rogue-synth-android-data
Not sure what those things on the left screen are
Those are the same kite shaped ships we’ve seen several times already.
From this review: https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01/09/star-trek-picard-children-of-mars-rogue-synth-android-data
Not sure what those things on the left screen are
Apparently the attack happened on First Contact day.
Just watched it. It’s definitely got me even more excited for Picard. I’m just very annoyed that the 23rd and 25th century don’t look very different. That could have been set in Discovery’s time and I wouldn’t be able to tell any difference. At this point I don’t know if things like that are intentional or just laziness.
Really? Is there any evidence that Romulus is a 14 day round trip from the nearest safe world?
Romulus is 3.6 light years from the neutral zone, could well be a mere 5 light years from an inhabitable planet in federation territory, which would mean dropping your estimates 10fold, so that's 67,000 ships
Evacuaction class ships will hold at least 10,000 (a galaxy class general explorer will hold 15k), so that's another order of magnitude drop, dedicated evacuation ships built with nothing but living space, fast engines, and transporters, should be able to easilly hold 100,000 (think how large a starship is compared with a football stadium), dropping to 7000 ships.
Still a lot of ships.
I haven't read the entire thread, so I don't know what's already been said.
Pretty powerful at the end. And I enjoyed it throughout. I could post about some anecdotes of my own from middle school or high school, but I won't. Let's just say everything rang true.
Looking forward to the premiere of Picard. I wonder if the melody in the credits will be the theme for PIC? It sounds like it would a good thematic pick. It sets the tone for what's going on. And it has some weight to it.
This is the most realistic the 24th Century has ever felt. I would've said I think the boarding school looks more like a university than a middle school, but I've seen some pretty fancy schools these days, across all levels. A lot fancier than anything from when I was a kid.
The attack felt very "real" seeing it broadcast on monitors. Like an event unfolding before their eyes. I could feel the urgency as they were watching. And First Contact Day is hitting them where it hurts.
Pretty powerful at the end. And I enjoyed it throughout. I could post about some anecdotes of my own from middle school or high school, but I won't. Let's just say everything rang true.
Looking forward to the premiere of Picard. I wonder if the melody in the credits will be the theme for PIC? It sounds like it would a good thematic pick. It sets the tone for what's going on. And it has some weight to it.
This is the most realistic the 24th Century has ever felt. I would've said I think the boarding school looks more like a university than a middle school, but I've seen some pretty fancy schools these days, across all levels. A lot fancier than anything from when I was a kid.
The attack felt very "real" seeing it broadcast on monitors. Like an event unfolding before their eyes. I could feel the urgency as they were watching. And First Contact Day is hitting them where it hurts.
I think the math on this is a bit wrong. With @eschaton's original estimates, which I agree may be a bit conservative, it only comes to 67,000 ships. Given what we've seen, Starfleet doesn't seem to have that many new ships, but it's conceivable it has close to this number if you include freighters, transports, and old mothballed ships that are space-worthy but would never have appeared earlier in the Dominion Wars or anywhere else. As you say, it may even be less if Romulus is actually closer. Regardless, I don't see a problem, and either way this all supports @eschaton's (and others') view that Starfleet would be heavily relying on all ships, including old ones like the Magee class, for the rescue operation.
It goes back to what I said earlier: What if the Elites in Romulan society don't think it's worthwhile to expend resources on those whom they regard as "inferior"? (In the comic, the Governor wanted to evacuate the Romulans while leaving the millions of native people behind.)
What if the "rogue synths" are a scapegoat?
I know what you're saying. But, there were similarities between TNG and the TOS Movies too. Especially when they were overlapping. And I always thought ENT looked and felt a little bit too similar to everything else made in the Berman Era. It's just a case of productions made around the same time will look similar. Especially when a lot of the same people are designing both. I'd just let it go at this point.
People were saying "Discovery looks too advanced!" Well, if that's the case then Picard is the one that looks like the way it's supposed to look since it's the one that's fully Post-Nemesis. So look at it that way.
I'm assuming no single Federation world can hold 7 billion due to lack of infrastructure. Some could be evacuated to worlds which were only a day away, others might have to wait months. We know from DS9 that the furthest elements of the Federation (like Cestus 3) can take months to reach.
In Yesterday's Enterprise, Yar says the alt-D can haul 6000 troops at once, so presumably the Prime version has similar capacity, and it can probably exceed that if people are crowded into corridors and cargo bays.
Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan had 70,000 people and is 5 square kms. You'd need 100,000 of those, which would be 500,000 square km, about the area of Spain, or 1/4 the size of mexico.
Even with replicators, putting them all in one friggin place is no small feat. It means you need to shuttle not just all the individuals to one planet, but also move a lot of equipment quickly from various planets scattered throughout the quadrant to a single site.
It's much easier logistically to imagine each inhabited planet builds its own refugee camps to the degree it can support them, and the Romulans are shuttled there.
A refugee camp for a million people is 10x10 miles, so an area 100x100 miles wide would allow for a billion. You could fit 7 billion in a 100,000 square miles
Look at a large cruise liner -- 360m long, 70m high, 60m wide, and holds 7000 people in "luxury". The D is 640m*460m*200m.
Cmon dude. They're not going to just dump 7 billion people on a "virgin planet." Even with nearly everything being replicated, you'd need an established power grid/energy source. And no single inhabited Federation world is going to be willing to accept the entire population of Romulus.
Sure, you'd probably evacuate to a dozen planets about 5-10 light years away and have 700 million on each one.
The bottleneck for the evacuation itself isn't in ship sizes, it's in transporter and lifesupport capacity. If you could modify ships to land and return to orbit (like Voyager), that makes evacuation fairly fast (100,000 people can fill/empty a large sports stadium in an hour or so).
4 years to organise moving 7 billion people seems like a feasable number for starfleet. Housing them in refugee camps for a month or two would be fairly achievable too.
However the aftermath is going to be painful, and I suspect we'll see the effects of that in Picard
Indeed, and I suspect we'll see the fallout of that.
Logistically I see an evacuation by starfleet to be possible. Politcally what happens next is another matter.
Building refugee camps at scale shouldn't be a problem either, no matter where they are.
Questions of energy sources is irellevent -- Earth today uses about 110PWh, about 13TW continuous drain.
The Enteprise D tech manual says it can output 50,000 TW (although for how long is another matter)
110PWh is about 10^18 Joules a day, or 5KG of antimatter per day.
Given that a single starship, or even runnabout, is likely to be able to power 13TW continuous usage with enough antimatter supplies, it's just a question of how much antimatter can be provided, not a question of providing an electrical power station.
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I think that's the only way to connect what we know of PIC so far, Countdown and now this short. Elites want to be rescued now before it's too late. When they realize it's either all or none, they hack into the Androids to destroy the rescue armada. Facing a dearth of ships and a rapidly diminishing deadline, Starfleet orders Picard to leave natives (and perhaps lower class Romulans) behind. Picard can't accept that and resigns.
I'm thinking where the real-world connection comes in is all "Synths" being blamed for the attack and imprisoned in internment camps. When it comes out it was Romulans that actually orchestrated the attack, Federation closes it's borders to Romulan refugees in the name of "security."
I like it if that's the case. It also could help explain the broken future Federation we see in Calypso and S3 of Disco.
I think in the world of Star Trek, it could be possible, but its not what's going to happen. Creating refugee camps on different worlds is far more likely.
But we've seen the concept of both industrial replicators in DS9 and the idea of transmitting ship's power to power systems on a planet in "The Cage." You start with several big industrial replicators powered by a few starships, create a planetary power grid and then start building your infastructure and temporary structures for a single settlement. Lather, rinse, repeat for more settlements on the surface as the evacuation plan happens.
I think it bears mentioning that we've never really seen any colony worlds anywhere in Star Trek with even 700 million people. Colony worlds seem to have tens of thousand to low millions in terms of population, meaning nobody - inside or outside the Federation - has the means for mass settlement off their homeworld.
Regardless, we've had enough hints from the trailers now that we know they aren't going the "new Romulus" route. They're going to have a dusting of Romulans spread across all of the Federation, in order to make it analogous to the refugee crisis in Europe.
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