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Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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Because Picard somehow worked out a way to save the Romulans at that particular colony?
The galaxy is a big place. One thing to remember is the Dominion War took place ten years before this episode where many a ship went down. It takes time to build ships, so one could consider the idea that they weren't quite up to full strength at the time of this new episode as a possibility. Additionally, we've seen places like the junkyard in "Unification," where older ships have gone after retirement. Some of them, probably more salvageable than others. We've seen that during the previously mentioned Dominion War, they basically created kitbashed Frankenstein ships using various parts of a few ships to make a working one. Starfleet, even if assisting the Romulans evacuate and building a completely new fleet (which still seems odd to me, but we'll go with it) might need to utilize older ships in order to, not only protect the peace and their territory, but continue their mission of discovery (sorry not sorry). Considering all of that, the idea of bringing a 120 year old ship out of retirement, towing it to Mars and refitting it with better tech doesn't seem all that convoluted.
What if this is Titanic writ large? What if the fleet was intended for the Romulan ELITES? The people with connections?
The Elites (Read: the people that "matter") live ... and everyone else dies.
No. In 2257 Spacedock was in construction in orbit of Earth. The same design was used for Starbase 74 and perhaps more, and was still in use over 100 years later.
The inside of Starbase 74 was upgraded from Spacedock though
I can't imagine that Jean-Luc Picard, the man who stopped the pillaging of the Ba'ku planet for 600 lives, and leads the fleet to save the Romulans, would stand for that.
I'm not particularly bothered by the ships. The in-universe explanation can surely be that Starfleet is modernizing every ship it can for the Romulan evacuation, including antique ships like the Magee class. We know from the comics that Goerdi is building a "new fleet", which can certainly mean a new fleet of (at least some) old ships.
As far as the production reasons, it wouldn't surprise me if Short Treks is made by a largely different group than Picard itself. The Magee, having just appeared in "The Trouble with Edward", is just a model they have easy access to and could render quickly.
I'm sure we will see some newer 24th/25th century ships at some point in PIC, but I bet they are still tweaking the models as they won't appear until later in the series. (They definitely know we want them, and they know how to tease us.) But even if they are going to use existing models from STO or somewhere else, those at the very least need more detailing for modern screens, so it isn't completely trivial to just paste them into a three second shot in COM. Given the quality of the rest of the VFX here, I bet they just didn't want to bother with it.
As far as the production reasons, it wouldn't surprise me if Short Treks is made by a largely different group than Picard itself. The Magee, having just appeared in "The Trouble with Edward", is just a model they have easy access to and could render quickly.
I'm sure we will see some newer 24th/25th century ships at some point in PIC, but I bet they are still tweaking the models as they won't appear until later in the series. (They definitely know we want them, and they know how to tease us.) But even if they are going to use existing models from STO or somewhere else, those at the very least need more detailing for modern screens, so it isn't completely trivial to just paste them into a three second shot in COM. Given the quality of the rest of the VFX here, I bet they just didn't want to bother with it.
I think it's probably logistically impossible to completely evacuate billions of people even with access to Federation technology and nigh-infinite resources.
I mean, let's presume Romulus has seven billion people. Average ship can hold 1,000. Round trip of 14 days. Four years to evacuate.
You'd still need 673,000 ships.
I mean, let's presume Romulus has seven billion people. Average ship can hold 1,000. Round trip of 14 days. Four years to evacuate.
You'd still need 673,000 ships.
Maybe, but i guess at least some of them might have lost relatives, living on Romulus and other planets of the Star Empire. Wouldn't they bear at least a bit of a grudge against Picard in this case? Especially if he was the one in charge of the rescue effort...
If I recall correctly (its been a long time since I've read it), the TNG Tech Manual suggested a Galaxy-Class Starship could evacuate far more than the thousand that would normally be stationed on it. But still, I agree... the concept of building a completely new fleet just to evacuate is hard to swallow.
I'm sure some could carry more than 1,000, but some could carry less as well.
To be honest, Trek has always given the impression there are way, way less ships than there should be in the Federation considering the vastness of space and the high population/resource base of the Federation core worlds. That said, the needed size of a relief effort is still probably 1-2 orders of magnitude too high for the Federation.
Which is exactly why it would make sense to bring in older ships. If they're still spaceworthy, why not?
ETA: The Galaxy-Class Starhip can evacuate a maximum of 15,000. That's still not that many when we're discussing billions.
Perhaps that's one reason he retired?
Exactly; they were just supposed to be generic 26th century ships flitting super fast across the screen. The difference here, though, is that they at least chose the newest starship designs for those generic ships, not the Miranda and Excelsior class ships from a different older era.
Perhaps. But as an Admiral, whose leading the operation, one would think he would have some say in how this went down. At the same time, I would think that perhaps the loss of life could have been less had his project not been pushing the shipyards to the levels they were. Starfleet or even Picard himself could see that loss of life as being directly on his shoulders, and been forced to resign or felt forced to resign.
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