Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

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  1. Paul Weaver

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    I'm happy to believe it could refer to a period around 2100 ('200 years ago' could quite easilly be 170 years ago. I think of the US civil war as about 200 years ago, but it was 160). The ECS Horizon was launched in 2102, so could fit into boomer wars, similar to the wars that were fought in America. I doubt many in europe knew much about say the Anglo-Powhatan Wars (aside from Jamestown), and fighting out in unexplored space away from the watchful eye of the Vulcans could well be deemed to be a war - certainly by Kzinti standards - which doesn't affect Earth one bit.
     
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  2. Timo

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    Who knows, perhaps the founding of the joint UE Starfleet a bit after that timeframe was the direct result of these conflicts - which may have been Boomer Wars, or then perhaps Corporate Wars where interplanetary or interstellar mining enterprises defended their assets, or then wars where Earth nations individually fledged their military muscle for the last time.

    Of course, we may also argue that if the Kzinti were the aggressors in all four wars, they would have come to Earth - so the fight would be "Earth" beating back the invaders, even if every single shot against the Kzinti was fired by Vulcan vessels protecting their Sol sphere of influence. Sulu would be rubbing further salt in the feline wounds if he pointed out it was the herbivore pacifists who had ripped the cats a new one. But perhaps his survival instinct kicked in there?

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  3. Dukhat

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    The problem with this theory is that if Vulcan felt that the Kzinti were a threat to Earth, they would have stopped them from committing any acts of war before the humans even knew the Kzinti existed. They certainly kept the warlike Andorians secret from Earth. And anyway, Sulu said the wars were between Earth and the Kzinti, not Earth and Vulcan against the Kzinti. Occam’s Razor again.
     
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  4. Timo

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    I'm not sure we have evidence of a Vulcan siege of Earth effective enough for preventing encounters of that sort. Trek is full of single-ship "acts of war" (indeed, most are of that sort!), and of foes that have no problem challenging the mighty Federation by conducting a frontier raid. For Earth in the late 21st or early 22nd century, "frontier" would be next door; we don't know exactly where the Vulcan frontier would be, but we can choose between Earth already being deep within their sphere of influence, or Earth being on its rim and subject to intrusions.

    So one or two Kzinti "wars" could be fine. But do Vulcans have a saying about "fool me thrice"? With the Klingons, they have a learning curve. Perhaps they also have inhuman patience, though, so they suffer through four offenses before their counteroffense amounts to absolute victory?

    Of course, it now seems that a foe of some sort has no trouble invading Earth, that is, Mars, even in the late 24th century!

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  5. tribbleorlfl

    tribbleorlfl Ensign Red Shirt

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    I think you're right. If you look at the pictures of the Picard uniform unveiled at DST today, it clearly is the Admiral version of the LD uniforms.
    https://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/picard-adm-uni-01.jpg
    Courtesy of TrekCore
     
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  6. Jesse1066

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    My first thought was that they had indeed chosen to ignore the Lower Decks uniforms, but I suppose it's no more different than the early TNG admirals uniforms were. Either way, I'm not too crazy about it. It seems busy to me.
     
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  7. unimatrix7

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    for the life of me I can’t understand why people still think that’s what the title refers to. As has already been pointed out, the children of Mars were Romulus and Remus. In a show about Romulans, it’s an awfully big leap to assume that the title instead references the planet Mars based purely on a split second glimpse of a brown planet in the trailer.
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    I think Timo is referring to the shot in the first Picard trailer that shows a fleet of ships approaching Mars.
     
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  9. Dukhat

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    He is assuming they are some kind of invasion fleet, when there’s no evidence to back that up. I think they are Romulan refugee ships heading toward Vulcan, and that they just used a CGI model of Mars as a stand in. But we’ll find out in a few months who is correct.
     
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    There have been lots of red planets in Trek history -- Vulcan being the most prominent. Are we even sure it's Mars in the trailer?
     
  11. ITDUDE

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    People spotted Mars landmarks on that planet
     
  12. Tuskin38

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    It has several geographical features on the surface that identify it as mars.
     
  13. Dukhat

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    None of that means anything. In TNG they reused stock footage of the STIII Spacedock as a starbase, complete with a planet that looked coincidentally like Earth and a moon that looked coincidentally like Luna.
     
  14. unimatrix7

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    All I saw was a red planet with pew pew action happening in orbit. Would you mind pointing out some of these landmarks and features?
     
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    And various episodes of the Trek franchise have recycled Earth to depict other worlds, including one ENT episode where it served as a Klingon colony.
     
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  16. unimatrix7

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    Spiner at DST said Data’s look in the trailer was not the ‘final look,’ due to insufficient time finishing post production.

    If they didn’t even have that finalised, how worried do we think they were about what planet was in the background of a space battle we saw for a split second?
     
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  17. Tuskin38

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    I said the first trailer, not the most recent one.
     
  18. fireproof78

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    I'm not.
     
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  19. Timo

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    ...OTOH, they have plenty of generic red planets that are not Mars on their stock shelves. It's not even a choice between Mars and Vulcan or anything.

    Conversely, a decent rendering of Mars is actually not all that "stock". The Marses beneath the Utopiae Planitia in the previous spinoffs were not like this at all, but much coarser jobs. Even the one from VOY "One Little Step" doesn't hold a candle to this. Did the trailer makers draw the accurate Mars from some other production altogether?

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    I feel like if it's supposed to look like Mars, then it's Mars. They know fans will nitpick over everything so they couldn't get away with showing Mars and saying its some other planet. I'd still like to think that it refers to some of Picard's ancestors who settled the first Martian colonies. I know that's a long shot though.
     
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