Paul Wesley's incarnation of James T. Kirk

[valden]

Good! Kirk is not a superhero. He is just a man. Let him be human.


Fucking hell this is absurd. Not we're talking about actor's bodies.

its ironic a lot of times people are quick to call a tv show or a movie made by hollywood as simply human, natural. this is hollywood most of the stuff is fake and is still about selling fantasy by 90%. and the worst genre for hollywood realism is their sci-fi , comic book and fantasy stuff like star trek and star wars and marvel and dc films.

And speaking of james bond there is a reason why an actor like Taron Egerton will never also be Bond. even tom cruise with his handsome looks will never have been Bond in the 90s because he is barely 5 Foot 6.

Most times a lot of actors need to look and act a certain part and train and discipline their bodies to look a certain part.

Wesley does not look or act the part and yes that plays into how to watch him. So he does not have the Body, but Kirk oozes chiasma.

Watch this scene with Chris Pine as Kirk. His first scene as Kirk and he hold his own against Saldana.

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he is drunk, intruding and is harassing a woman and you still cannot help but like him? why? because Pine oozes charisma and charm we can feel through the screen even if from this scene he comes of as a questionable person with unflattering attitude. Wesley lacks that and it shows also through the screen.

 

[fireproof78]

its ironic a lot of times people are quick to call a tv show or a movie made by hollywood as simply human, natural. this

Because that's what I want. Relatable, understandable and human. You don't give me that and I'm out. Don't like Bond.

he is drunk, intruding and is harassing a woman and you still cannot help but like him?

I don't like him in that moment. He's an ass.

 

[cooleddie74]

Cupcake is an asshole but Kirk got owned and rightfully so for being an intoxicated bar pest. I like Pine's Kirk as he develops through the three Kelvin Timeline films but his first appearance as adult Kirk is hardly an endorsement for his character.

 

[valden]

I don't like him in that moment. He's an ass.

I wont like him if i was in the bar as a character but I like him as an external viewer because I get the kind of person he is and i feel the journey he is about to take.

Because that's what I want. Relatable, understandable and human. You don't give me that and I'm out. Don't like Bond.

Pine and Shatner were all of these things too with the extra package that made the character iconic.

 

[fireproof78]

Cupcake is an asshole but Kirk got owned and rightfully so for being an intoxicated bar pest. I like Pine's Kirk as he develops through the three Kelvin Timeline films but his first appearance as adult Kirk is hardly an endorsement for his character.

Indeed. I start to like him when Pike talks to him. You see the potential through Pike's eyes as Pike takes a very gentle but challenging leadership approach. I think SNW Pike would do similarly.

They show their subordinate officers how to lead by giving them space to lead.

 

[ichab]

Totally agree. I want many more episodes with the current cast.

Me too. If I wanted to see Kirk, I'd turn on any of the many episodes and movies we have of him. There's really nothing more that needs to be explored with the character. This show is suppose to be about Pike, Una, etc. Characters we know little about.

We still have that one episode coming up with the two airheads from lower decks who will be gracing the screen with their presence. Hopefully after that we get back to a ship show featuring the SNW crew.

 

[valden]

Cupcake is an asshole but Kirk got owned and rightfully so for being an intoxicated bar pest. I like Pine's Kirk as he develops through the three Kelvin Timeline films but his first appearance as adult Kirk is hardly an endorsement for his character.

no it is not but it works because it shows his journey and it also shows he has the charm of shatner. you need the right kind of actor to pull it off.

If they had cast an actor like Ryan Reynolds as kirk in the kelvin timeline, he will be as miscast as Paul Wesley SNW Kirk.

 

[fireproof78]

Pine and Shatner were all of these things too with the extra package that made the character iconic.

Wesley does too. That's my point. He's not a god, not a hero, not bad ass. He's a man in middle of growing.

 

[cooleddie74]

And this past week's Wesley Kirk had the most Shatner-sounding Kirk dialogue we've heard in Trek since GEN in 1994 when he asked La'an what she was doing on his bridge.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

double post

 

[Paul755]

And this past week's Wesley Kirk had the most Shatner-sounding Kirk dialogue we've heard in Trek since GEN in 1994 when he asked La'an what she was doing on his bridge.

disagree. The best non-Shatner Kirk is still Pine in “Beyond”. He’s no longer playing the pop culture, frat boy stereotype version of Kirk.

 

[El Maestro]

You guys are talking like TOS Shatner was some kind of freakishly attractive adonis. He was certainly handsome and charismatic, but in no way was he preternaturally "hunky" or whatever. He was pretty much just a guy...confident, smart, good with people and strong in his principles. Wesley seems like he'll be able to be this too, but as I said before, the worst thing we can say is that it's too soon to tell for him. I got good vibes from him in the last episode...he was strong-willed, slightly mischievous in a good way, but still willing to listen and be open to new information that changed his opinion. I know he was "alt" or whatever but I viewed that as almost a sneak glimpse into what prime-Kirk will be as a captain. I think some fans are ignoring what actually happens on the screen in favor of preconceived vibes.

We're not gonna get a Chris Pine level actor on a TV show. Also it's funny to see him held up as the standard when back in 2009 he was not always well-received, haha.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So he does not have the Body, but Kirk oozes chiasma.

The picture you ignored refutes this. Still, ignoring things that don't suit your narrative is one of your defining traits.

You guys are talking like TOS Shatner was some kind of freakishly attractive adonis.

Only one person is saying so.

 

[valden]

double post

um no, i think i am even one of the few that said it would have been better if he had one of those traits. the issue is that he has neither.

funny about batman, i dont seem to recall anyone ever calling ben affleck a great actor in the history of hollywood but some were surprised he made a good batman even if they did not like zack snyder's direction. Ben hit the gym for the part and it helped a lot. Wesley could have buffed up is all, that would have been one part at least he had in the bag.

in TTT Episode, him and laan seem almost the same size.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Wesley could have buffed up is all, that would have been one part at least he had in the bag.

Are you blind?

Look at the picture on the previous page. The guy could not be more buffed up.

 

[cooleddie74]

And TOS Pilot Kirk looked slimmer and less bulky than regular series Kirk. Kirk's 27 here even if it's in an alternate timeline. A lot of people put on either muscle or fat as they get into their thirties and older so Wesley being thinner and more "lightweight" in physical presence doesn't bother me.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

We still have that one episode coming up with the two airheads from lower decks who will be gracing the screen with their presence. Hopefully after that we get back to a ship show featuring the SNW crew.

Unlike some here, I've never been into Star Trek for the ships, except as Kirk's only true wife, and as an ideal that represents exploration. I can't argue minutiae re: ship classes and all that. I'm not interested in a "ship show." I'm interested in the people who live on it and where they go (both physically and emotionally).

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Star Trek is not a ship show. Never has been.

This thread is a shitshow though.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[fireproof78]

but I viewed that as almost a sneak glimpse into what prime-Kirk will be as a captain. I think some fans are ignoring what actually happens on the screen in favor of preconceived vibes.

That's exactly it. People expect Kirk to be a certain way and when an actor fails to live up to those expectations than every excuse and problem is found, rational or not, to justify their discomfort.

The debate about Wesley reminds me of a scene from MASH:

Mulcahy: Well, we had a fellow here a while back, before you arrived, who was much worse.

Potter: Worse than Klinger? Father, you wouldn't lie to a Presbyterian, would you?

Mulcahy: No. Believe me, this lad was quite a bozo. He couldn't do anything right. Drove everybody crazy with questions. You should have seen him try to patch through a call. Looked like hand-to-hand combat. Folks here were convinced that the enemy had sent him to sabotage the unit.

Potter: Yeah? So whatever happened to this rube?

Mulcahy: Well, as time went by, he got a little better. Your late predecessor, Colonel Blake, rest his soul, took him under his wing and sort of helped him grow into the job.

Potter: You suckered me, Padre. You're talkin' about Radar.

Mulcahy: The very same bozo. You see, when you arrived, you got the broken-in model. But my, my. His first few
months were harrowing indeed. Now, at the risk of interfering, Colonel, don't you think Corporal Klinger deserves
the same consideration? (emphasis added)

If I treat Wesley like a fully trained and experienced Kirk that's unfair to both parties. It deifies one, and demonizes the other.

disagree. The best non-Shatner Kirk is still Pine in “Beyond”. He’s no longer playing the pop culture, frat boy stereotype version of Kirk.

So, you're saying people can grow and maybe even...change?