Fair, if I disagree though. I think it short changes the show.
Fair enough.
Paul Wesley's incarnation of James T. Kirk
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We need to see enough screen time of PU Kirk to determine whether he is"right" for the file.
And even when we do, people need to remember that he isn't "there" yet. He's still a subordinate officer on a ship that blends in with the rest. No command of a starship, no Farragut incident -- he's missing the key ingredients that will transform Lt. Kirk (a stack of books with legs) to legendary Captain James
Let the man do his work, and just sit back and watch the transformation.
OMG was I pissed when I wrote this? Literally sounds like the plot to that new Spider-Man film, across the spider verse. Was dipping my toes back in to this forum before watching season 2 of SNW, and now I’m cringing at the little nuggets of brain farts I am finding as I try to catch up in here.This has important implications on metaphysical, quantum and philosophical levels. Possibly on other levels that I have not been made aware of too. In a true multi verse any one can be anything or anyone at any time if we want them to be, and no one would ever know the difference as we all perceive the multiverse though our own perception and experiential existence so we can use our imaginations to ‘de-buff’ what is being dictated or enforced on to us. If we disagree with something we can agree to differ and view the difference through our own narrative and perspective which is acceptable to us and allows our opinion or impression to run parallel with that of another view or interpretation which differs. This is like us creating our own parallel universes in our minds. This means we can all get along because even if we see something differently we see it abstractly in a parallel way that is acceptable from both of our perspectives. I could look at Kirk and see a women, you could look at Kirk and see a man. Someone else could look at Kirk and see a ‘they’ or even a toaster. We are all looking at the same character though. Maybe Kirk should be portrayed in an ’artistically fluid way’? We are all looking at the same character as previously mentioned, we are just projecting our own physical perception of the character through our own unique lense? We have our own imaginations. We do need to respect the original intentions of the people who created the characters though, as they had a vision and as Star Trek fans we should try to respect this and make sure that TBTB follow canon. As long as a character embodies it’s original artistic intention as intended by their creator, physically it should not matter how they are portrayed? They do need to keep it realistic and not try to push boundaries for the sake of it, or to troll Kirk fans… we are still only human and we like familiarity. No one should change things for shock value or to make a point though. If it is not broken then there is no need to fix it. Kirk was never really broken, so in my mind he does not need to become a women… yet.
Is Paul Wesley a good Kirk, btw? Just so I know what to expect. Is *everyone* every time ever, Kirk yet? Or is that just Spider-Man?
Just watch it for yourself and judge.Is Paul Wesley a good Kirk, btw? Just so I know what to expect. Is *everyone* every time ever, Kirk yet? Or is that just Spider-Man?
Yes.
He's a good Kirk. How is that even in question?
He's a good Kirk. How is that even in question?
Reread the thread and see how opinions vary and IDIC is in full swing.
The Farragut Incident occurred ~11 years before the Obsession episode circa 2268 putting the incident ~2257, so, it has already occurred if SNW is ~2259-60. <I'm just glad that Kirk changed his middle name from "Romulus" to "Tiberius" after the Balance of Terror episode.
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"IDIC." Whatever floats somebody's antigrav. 
It's more for me and my blood pressure at this point"IDIC." Whatever floats somebody's antigrav.
I feel you.
No, seriously, I can feel the brute force of the blood in your veins by now.
No, seriously, I can feel the brute force of the blood in your veins by now.
Yeah. I'm powering my office with it right now.
I think the worst thing you can say about Wesley is that it's too soon to tell; he hasn't had all that much feature screen time. The last episode bodes well for him I think, and I do like him, and can see him as JTK. He does look a lot like Jim Carrey, though, haha! It's also fine if JTK is a recurring character on SNW.
So, I don't want him to be hustled off stage or whatever. But I also am not clamoring for SNW to become a full on reboot of TOS. Not that I wouldn't watch one; I just don't think one is necessary at the moment. I think SNW and Pike and crew should have a full (whatever that means in the current landscape) run...THEN if they feel like it go ahead and just do a new TOS. As long as they're not like remaking episodes beat for beat it could be really good! It would actually need to be extremely good, otherwise it would just be kind of insulting.
So, I don't want him to be hustled off stage or whatever. But I also am not clamoring for SNW to become a full on reboot of TOS. Not that I wouldn't watch one; I just don't think one is necessary at the moment. I think SNW and Pike and crew should have a full (whatever that means in the current landscape) run...THEN if they feel like it go ahead and just do a new TOS. As long as they're not like remaking episodes beat for beat it could be really good! It would actually need to be extremely good, otherwise it would just be kind of insulting.
Plenty of room to tell stories in between the episodes—they’ve been doing it in books for about fifty years already.
Yep I’m actually pretty optimistic that it could be done and done well enough to not be cynical or insulting. I just don’t think they need to prematurely end SNW to do it.
Totally agree. I want many more episodes with the current cast.
He is lanking and skinny compared to Shatner or your average actor playing a superhero role.
Mind you that Paul is about 8-10 years older than shatner was when shatner first took on the role in 1966.
shatner was quite stocky even in TOS but he had good height to balance his physique. I dont think a danny devito type of stockiness would have been a good kirk
Pine though not as stocky as shatner worked in the kelvin films because I think Pine is an extremely handsome actor, not too skinny and has onscreen charm that can attract the ladies. Pine also had a rough brashness to him and a lot of swag.
Wesley just seem to have noting going for him. he is quite ordinary on screen.
Kevlin actors was a perfect cast. all were cast well especially the core 4 players. Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Bones. I kind of feel sorry for who is going to play SNW Bones because Karl Urban is a hard act to follow. He may be the only actor from the kelvin verse fans loved as much as the tos version. Kelvin actors were a though act to follow, there is a reason paramount cannot afford them anymore.
Heck I even think Bruce Greenwood makes a better Pike than Mount because Greenwood had the authority presence that Picard has. Mount does not have that in SNW.
One thing I noticed with the kelvin's pike played by Greenwood is that he knew how to strike the balance of been a commanding captain as well as a father figure to kirk and spock. Mount does not have that with his crew. He is one of the weakest captains of trek.
Would be interesting to see the dynamic of pike and kirk since one of them is miscast in the role and the other is not given a strong commanding presence.
Nope:
Try again. He’s more buff than Shatner ever was.
What’s your next ill-informed torrent of bullshit going to be about?
Good! Kirk is not a superhero. He is just a man. Let him be human.
Fucking hell this is absurd. Not we're talking about actor's bodies.Nope:
Try again. He’s more buff than Shatner ever was.
What’s your next ill-informed torrent of bullshit going to be about?
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