Patrick Stewart has seen first 5 episodes, hopes fans won't be disappointed

[Nightdiamond]

He's on record as saying that he doesn't want to redo TNG -- something he did thirty years ago.

I know I'll sound like an a**hole but....

Some hardcore fans will be disappointed. People have ideas in their heads on how they feel Picard should act and behave and think and talk and all. This won't be their image of both the character and the timeframe. And I think the creators are aware of that.

I imagine this won't be Gene Roddenberry/Rick Berman Picard. It's okay, since this takes place twenty years after that version of the character.

People change.

Its going to be interesting to see.

This is pretty much what I've been expecting about how characters from the Picard show are probably going to sound, look and act differently than they did on the TNG show.

Mainly because of being on a streaming platform sets them free to express themselves in ways they never could when the show was on Tv in the 80's and 90's.

And also because they would have to update in order to stay interesting. Its like another renaissance of sci fi and fantasy now.
Lots of competition.

It'll probably drop a few things from the older show like the near perfectness, formal style of speaking and the no conflict rules.

 

[Danja]

It'll probably drop a few things from the older show like the near perfectness, formal style of speaking and the no conflict rules.

TPTB have learned from Voyager.

Gene's "no conflict" rule was in effect during Voyager's first three seasons (Everyone got along. Everyone was this one big, happy family).

It led to the show staring down the barrel of cancellation after S3.

No conflict = Boring TV (especially now, in this age of "reality" TV, when people are conniving and stabbing each other in the back on camera ).

 

[Nightdiamond]

TPTB have learned from Voyager.

Gene's "no conflict" rule was in effect during Voyager's first three seasons (Everyone got along. Everyone was this one big, happy family).

It led to the show staring down the barrel of cancellation after S3.

No conflict = Boring TV (especially now, in this age of "reality" TV, when people are stabbing each other in the back on camera ).

It sounds crappy, and I don't want to see conflict just for the sake of seeing people being hostile each other, but I honestly don't see how they can make a Trek show today using the same style and format as they did in TNG.

That may be the paradox, its a future society where all the social ills have been solved and everyone gets along, but for entertainment, viewers do want to see interesting personalities, intrigue, suspense and shocking twists.

Traveling to new star systems and giving speeches and always resolving the plot at the end of the episode probably won't cut it anymore.

 

[Danja]

Traveling to new star systems and giving speeches and always resolving the plot at the end of the episode probably won't cut it anymore.

Anyone who wants to see that now has four shows to choose from (TOS, TNG, Voyager, and Discovery).

 

[Noname Given]

Anyone who wants to see that now has four shows to choose from (TOS, TNG, Voyager, and Discovery).

TOS was NEVER shown as 'Utopian' and had plenty of character and interpersonal conflict, which is why it will always be more entertaining then GR's perfectly adjusted manaquins of the TNG era.

And I don't believe being able to tell a complete story in one episode is a problem for current audiences; however, that's not what Alex Kurtan has decided to do in these latest Trek incarnations.

 

[-Brett-]

That doesn't even make sense. They said they're not making Picard as if it were another TNG. I get that you're against this at every turn, but at least criticize the show for what it is, not what they've gone out of their way to say it's not.

They can say whatever they want, but the fact that it's a rehash of TNG is right there in the title.

 

[Lord Garth]

They can say whatever they want, but the fact that it's a rehash of TNG is right there in the title.

That's a superficial, surface-level cop-out of an answer and you know it. You can do better than that, if you mean it. How is it a rehash of TNG? Give specifics.

TNG is about Captain Picard and his Senior Staff on the Enterprise-D travelling from mission to mission encountering new alien life, providing humanitarian aid to colonies, dealing with diplomatic situations, solving tech mysteries in a procedural manner, and dealing with philosophical questions. How does Picard look like it will do these? How does it look like the main characters -- outside of Picard himself -- are the same as or similar to the ones in TNG?

And if Picard does any of what TNG has previously done, how does that in and of itself make it inherently 1980s? When I think of the '80s, I think of the tail-end of the Cold War, which TNG touched on through cold hostilities with the Romulans, and greed, which was obviously the Ferengi. What's '80s about Picard besides the fact that the star was introduced in 1987?

 

[Tuskin38]

but the fact that it's a rehash of TNG is right there in the title.

No it isn't.
You can do a show about Picard without it being a rehash.

 

[Alan Roi]

They can say whatever they want, but the fact that it's a rehash of TNG is right there in the title.

If it was it would be called TNG Season 8.

 

[Lord Garth]

Some people are digging themselves in quite deep with their dislike/hatred of what's down the line. Suppose they like end up actually liking Picard? Will they have the stones to admit it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be?

 

[Dukhat]

I love Star Trek Picard and it hasn't even debuted yet.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I love Star Trek Picard and it hasn't even debuted yet.

THIS. I haven't been as excited about a Trek premiere since 2009. And before that, it was 1987!

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[Uhura's Song]

TPTB have learned from Voyager.

Gene's "no conflict" rule was in effect during Voyager's first three seasons (Everyone got along. Everyone was this one big, happy family).

It led to the show staring down the barrel of cancellation after S3.

No conflict = Boring TV (especially now, in this age of "reality" TV, when people are conniving and stabbing each other in the back on camera ).

While I get what you are saying, there was plenty of conflict on TNG & VOY.

Especially within the Federation/Star Fleet. The Captain/Crew ignoring/going against Star Fleet Command was a regular fearure of TOS and has been present in every Trek iteration. Just off the top of my head:
TOS: Court Martial, Menangerie.
TNG: Conspiracy, Drumhead, Measure of a Man, Insurrection, Ensign Ro.

And this does not couny Prime Directive violations, Data/Worf resignations, Pulaski hating Data, Wesley acting like a jerk for a year or two, etc.

Heck, VOY had traitors aboard the first couple seasons. There was conflict there.

 

[Phily B]

I hope we don't see the Enterprise until the final season, if they plan for three seasons.

Lets not go the Discovery route of throwing shit after shit after shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

[fireproof78]

Some people are digging themselves in quite deep with their dislike/hatred of what's down the line. Suppose they like end up actually liking Picard? Will they have the stones to admit it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be?

I'll try my best...

 

[Lord Garth]

I'll try my best...

You're not who I had in mind, but I'll take it...

 

[fireproof78]

You're not who I had in mind, but I'll take it...

Hey, I haven't hidden the fact that Picard doesn't appeal to me, so I figured I'd own it

 

[mtblillie]

You don't have to be interested in watching Picard. It isn't like there are any specific requirements to being a Star Trek fan. But the show hasn't even come out yet, if you don't want to watch it, don't, but making the same tired assumption (that is of yet unproven) over and over doesn't help the discussion at all.

 

[Noname Given]

While I get what you are saying, there was plenty of conflict on TNG & VOY.

Especially within the Federation/Star Fleet. The Captain/Crew ignoring/going against Star Fleet Command was a regular fearure of TOS and has been present in every Trek iteration. Just off the top of my head:
TOS: Court Martial, Menangerie.
TNG: Conspiracy, Drumhead, Measure of a Man, Insurrection, Ensign Ro.

And this does not couny Prime Directive violations, Data/Worf resignations, Pulaski hating Data, Wesley acting like a jerk for a year or two, etc.

Heck, VOY had traitors aboard the first couple seasons. There was conflict there.

Yeah, no. Just go and actually WATCH TOS and you'll see McCoy openly argue with Kirk, Kirk with Spock, Spock with McCoy, and even the 'fab 4' will get in of the action.

Please tell me how many times Riker actually got in Picard's face to argue a point, or Geordi. About the closet TNG ever came was Picard regularly dressing down Lt. Worf because Worf dared to act like a Klingon in a 100% Klingon situation regarding other Klingons, or the Klingon homeworld.

 

[fireproof78]

They can say whatever they want, but the fact that it's a rehash of TNG is right there in the title.

Yeah! Just like Star Trek: The Motion Picture was a total rehash because it had Star Trek in the title...wait...

You don't have to be interested in watching Picard. It isn't like there are any specific requirements to being a Star Trek fan. But the show hasn't even come out yet, if you don't want to watch it, don't, but making the same tired assumption (that is of yet unproven) over and over doesn't help the discussion at all.

I shall do my best to not make tired assumptions, but more energetic ones.