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Paramount Confirms TWO Star Trek films currently in the works!
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to me star trek beyond feels more trek-like because it's the first film in the kelvin series that's not a prequel, there's no juggling of positions or setting things in motion, it's just a straight up story. the characters finally feel like they've matured, people are discussing not shouting. and tonally it's a lot more focused on the whole hippy dippy, let's work together for the common good, utopian future.
i always thought star trek beyond should've been called "star trek united". that's what it feels like to me.
Kirk isn't a sex-crazed frat-boy in Beyond, but actually acts like an adult (even, God help us, an authority figure). The plot isn't hinging upon remaking a prior movie and trading on your good feelings for the old stuff. Spock and McCoy hang out. There's a crazy upside-down space-city that isn't smoggy and being blown up in ways that are suspiciously evocative of 21st century terrorist attacks.
Also, it's the only Kelvin Timeline film where Spock isn't flying into a violent rage and punching people. That's very un-Spock-like.
It's weird how what's "un-Spock-like" has changed over the decades
Not gonna lie, I prefer the struggling emotional tornado Spock of '09 and ID. I relate.
Not gonna lie, I prefer the struggling emotional tornado Spock of '09 and ID. I relate.
Is Kirk sex-crazed? It isn't like he even had the time in beyond, LOL.
His older tos counterpart was no monk and no saint, and I don't know why people make it seems that JJ made him a ladies man when that was totally Roddenberry version of Kirk too.
The fact that the characters aren't showed as being asexuate people has little, IMO, to do with giving them more maturity and the movie being more 'trek'.
Also yes, Kirk doesn't have enough experience as a captain yet and..it makes sense? The opposite would be far-fetched to me.
To be completely honest, I like this Kirk more than Shatner's (gasp!). I prefer to see him mature into a captain and have flaws. Sure, he may still have elements of the typical hollywood he-mary sue (gary-stu) 'hero' from this genre of movies, but he is more realistic to me in the role and made accountable for his mistakes and lack of experience.
In the first movies the characters are younger and, regardless, they shouldn't be impersonations of their tos counterparts for plenty of reasons including, but not limited to, them having different life experiences.
Trek always reflected its time so it's only natural that the stories of a modern iteration are going to mirror our own world and not that of the 60s.
Even Spock changed accordingly and not without valid motivations. I'm one of those who really embrace the idea that they accelerated his emotional development, and he ultimately is just a more contemporary allegory of a mixed person now. In the 60s, it maybe reflected the time that he had 'imitation of life' elements to him, thus the whole trying to pass as vulcan only and neglecting his human side to an extent. Aos Spock is far more relatable, I think, with his unapologetically being both human and vulcan. It makes sense, not to mention that nowadays writers now have more canon to use when it comes to writing vulcans, to begin with, compared to tos where the whole process was still work in progress. We know, for example, that they have more feelings than humans.. so this trek reflects that too. And because Spock is more a co-protagonist than just Kirk's nerdy friend, you are allowed to see more sides of him when the narrative is from his perspective too.
Anyway, Spock's rage in the first movies was still motivated and it is examples, again, that maybe speak about the complexity of vulcans and how much their feelings can, actually, be passionate and destructive.
In beyond, the only moment Spock is allowed to have that dimension and he shows some of that rage, albeit in a far more subtle way, is when Sulu tells him they have taken Uhura (the face he makes is eloquent about his intentions, though he doesn't take into account how weak he's for his injury ..) It's still there below the surface.
For the rest, he is going to show the emotions that make sense with what happens to him in the movie too BUT you certainly can't say that beyond-Spock does fit with some fans' idea of him being unfeeling and controlled either.
He's very emotional in beyond in ways tos Spock never was at the time. Do you, honestly, imagine tos Spock having that conversation with Mccoy, and even crying about the death of his 'mentor'? Come on now...
Using some fans' logic why he is ooc and 'un-spock-like' in the first two, he's even MORE, not less, ooc and different from tos Spock in Beyond. Even his dynamic with Mccoy reflects that because they try to recreate it like tos, but the banter is one sided because Spock IS different. How can you even deny that and pretend he acts like tos Spock in Beyond? He never will, probably, unless they want to turn him into a parody.
Having two characters hang out (and find pretentious excuses to make them interact) because they used to do that "back in the day" is just standard fan-service and nostalgia, it doesn't make this movie more trek than the first two either.
If relationships are 'trek', the first two have that aplenty and no less than Beyond. You had kirk/spock and kirk/bones friendships, the spock/uhura romance, Spock's dynamic with his parents, Kirk/Pike father-son relationship , even a bit of enemies to friends and siblings dynamic between Kirk and Uhura. Plus all the other subplots, even the one about Khan and his 'family' has elements of that 'heart'. Heck, even Nero' story.
Tbh, I expected more from the group dynamic in beyond. I feel like they wasted the idea of splitting the group up because, if you put spock and mccoy aside, they did nothing with the rest of the 'duos' ..so I got bored and found myself just waiting for when they all would finally reunite.
His older tos counterpart was no monk and no saint, and I don't know why people make it seems that JJ made him a ladies man when that was totally Roddenberry version of Kirk too.
The fact that the characters aren't showed as being asexuate people has little, IMO, to do with giving them more maturity and the movie being more 'trek'.
Also yes, Kirk doesn't have enough experience as a captain yet and..it makes sense? The opposite would be far-fetched to me.
To be completely honest, I like this Kirk more than Shatner's (gasp!). I prefer to see him mature into a captain and have flaws. Sure, he may still have elements of the typical hollywood he-mary sue (gary-stu) 'hero' from this genre of movies, but he is more realistic to me in the role and made accountable for his mistakes and lack of experience.
In the first movies the characters are younger and, regardless, they shouldn't be impersonations of their tos counterparts for plenty of reasons including, but not limited to, them having different life experiences.
Trek always reflected its time so it's only natural that the stories of a modern iteration are going to mirror our own world and not that of the 60s.
Even Spock changed accordingly and not without valid motivations. I'm one of those who really embrace the idea that they accelerated his emotional development, and he ultimately is just a more contemporary allegory of a mixed person now. In the 60s, it maybe reflected the time that he had 'imitation of life' elements to him, thus the whole trying to pass as vulcan only and neglecting his human side to an extent. Aos Spock is far more relatable, I think, with his unapologetically being both human and vulcan. It makes sense, not to mention that nowadays writers now have more canon to use when it comes to writing vulcans, to begin with, compared to tos where the whole process was still work in progress. We know, for example, that they have more feelings than humans.. so this trek reflects that too. And because Spock is more a co-protagonist than just Kirk's nerdy friend, you are allowed to see more sides of him when the narrative is from his perspective too.
Anyway, Spock's rage in the first movies was still motivated and it is examples, again, that maybe speak about the complexity of vulcans and how much their feelings can, actually, be passionate and destructive.
In beyond, the only moment Spock is allowed to have that dimension and he shows some of that rage, albeit in a far more subtle way, is when Sulu tells him they have taken Uhura (the face he makes is eloquent about his intentions, though he doesn't take into account how weak he's for his injury ..) It's still there below the surface.
For the rest, he is going to show the emotions that make sense with what happens to him in the movie too BUT you certainly can't say that beyond-Spock does fit with some fans' idea of him being unfeeling and controlled either.
He's very emotional in beyond in ways tos Spock never was at the time. Do you, honestly, imagine tos Spock having that conversation with Mccoy, and even crying about the death of his 'mentor'? Come on now...
Using some fans' logic why he is ooc and 'un-spock-like' in the first two, he's even MORE, not less, ooc and different from tos Spock in Beyond. Even his dynamic with Mccoy reflects that because they try to recreate it like tos, but the banter is one sided because Spock IS different. How can you even deny that and pretend he acts like tos Spock in Beyond? He never will, probably, unless they want to turn him into a parody.
Having two characters hang out (and find pretentious excuses to make them interact) because they used to do that "back in the day" is just standard fan-service and nostalgia, it doesn't make this movie more trek than the first two either.
If relationships are 'trek', the first two have that aplenty and no less than Beyond. You had kirk/spock and kirk/bones friendships, the spock/uhura romance, Spock's dynamic with his parents, Kirk/Pike father-son relationship , even a bit of enemies to friends and siblings dynamic between Kirk and Uhura. Plus all the other subplots, even the one about Khan and his 'family' has elements of that 'heart'. Heck, even Nero' story.
Tbh, I expected more from the group dynamic in beyond. I feel like they wasted the idea of splitting the group up because, if you put spock and mccoy aside, they did nothing with the rest of the 'duos' ..so I got bored and found myself just waiting for when they all would finally reunite.
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In STID, Kirk sexually harassed a subordinate out of known space, and had completely forgotten he'd done it. That's a bit of a stretch from the guy who had a virus-induced meltdown in TOS about how he wasn't even allowed to notice that Rand was good-looked (but didn't really mind because he was monomaniacal about his career), and who had to be brainwashed before it seemed remotely plausible he'd flirt with a science officer at a work party. Luckily, somebody already wrote "Kirk Drift," so I don't have to go into the difference between what was in the show and how pop culture has agreed to remember the show.
Didn't 34 year old Kirk bang a 19 year old in TOS?
Fans can try and try to excuse his behaviour, but if it moved, Jim Kirk would bang it.
Fans can try and try to excuse his behaviour, but if it moved, Jim Kirk would bang it.
let's not forget about the deleted scene from star trek 2009 in which kirk chats up an orion enterprise crew member mistakenly thinking she's gaila, the orion chick he banged earlier in the film. if she was black instead of green... i mean wow.
kelvin kirk started off really rough compared to his portrayal in beyond.
kelvin kirk started off really rough compared to his portrayal in beyond.
Some of Spock's best episodes involve him flying into a violent rage and hitting people. (And by "people" I mean James T. Kirk.)
Played around with a little more Doomsday "what if" animation.
I'm sure that's why they do it in the movies. But it loses its punch if it happens all the time. Just like how Worf always getting thrown around the bridge stopped making evil aliens seem impressive, and just made Worf seem wimpy.
Agree, what made them great was it that is was out of character for Spock
I really enjoyed seeing Spock's emotional struggles in these films.
I am not a big fan of JJ Abrams or Kelvin Trek, but I thought Beyond was easily the best of the three. 2009 a clear second and STID a distant third (right there with TFF and Nemesis at the bottom).
Zach Quinto confirmed Tarantino’s film will feature the Kelvin Timeline crew. Is anyone talking about this?? And where??
Confirmed by who? It's still speculation as far as I know. Speculation by Quinto for one, but speculation none the less.
I might be mistaken but yea I thought quinto confirmed it last week. He must be “hoping” that’s the case lol
Yeah, "confirmed" wouldn't be quite the right word. In the absence of hard details, Quinto is making some assumptions:
https://trekmovie.com/2018/06/30/qu...olve-kelvin-crew-according-to-zachary-quinto/
I wonder if the rumors of QT's 'Yesterday's Entetprise' theme are also true, this would be a wrap for the new crew?
That would be five for them, six for TOS, & four for TNG. Seems about right. And a time travel/Yesterday's Entetprise perhaps re-integrates the Kelvinverse.
That would be five for them, six for TOS, & four for TNG. Seems about right. And a time travel/Yesterday's Entetprise perhaps re-integrates the Kelvinverse.
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