Paramount Confirms TWO Star Trek films currently in the works!
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Quinto didn't say he's over about playing Spock after these two movies. It was more along the lines of, I'll be always glad to play Spock as long as I get the chance, but if we only get these two more movies I'll be satisfied because it's more than I expected when I got the part.
He should be proud, he's done very well in the role. Feel his connection to Mr. Nimoy also adds to his pride in the character
Just thinking about the Chris Hemsworth returning as George Kirk movie speculation - if this happens, I feel we might also get Nero back again...
Suddenly flashing back to all those debates back in the day as to whether they should have tried to undo Nero destroying Vulcan, and how badly such an attempt could end. I wonder if ST4 will explore that...
I hope not. In real-world terms, the point of creating the alternate timeline was to free the filmmakers up to tell new stories unrestrained by Prime continuity. The idea was to use the time-travel conceit merely to justify the new beginning and then go forward from there. There's nothing to be gained by going backward, by rehashing a story we've already seen.
And in-universe, there's nothing to "undo." The existence of Discovery in the 2250s should make it clear that the Prime timeline still exists even after Nero's incursion in 2233. The Kelvin Timeline was always meant to be a parallel existing alongside Prime, not replacing it. So even if the events of the '09 movie were altered, it would just result in a different parallel. It wouldn't "restore" the Prime timeline, since that timeline never went anywhere in the first place.
I personally think if Hemsworth is reprising his role again as George Kirk, then its highly likely Nero will also be returning.
Considering Nero and the Narada got ‘consumed’ by the resulting black hole created by the red matter (at the end of 09), I reckon the angry Romulan from the Prime universe will also be returning (and that he, like George Kirk, somehow survived).
I also don’t think Paramount are going to do a reset back to Prime - rather, I think they might do an alternative branch-off from the Kelvinverse, as Christopher has suggested.
A Georgie Kirk surviving / USS Kelvin spin-off - with Robau and her crew adventure series would be great (IMO).
Alternatively - what if George Kirk from the Kelvinverse was thrown forward (upon his death) into the Prime timeline from which Nero and Old Spock came from? GK gets picked up by Picard and the Enterprise-E... (okay, that does sound stupid, now that I’ve typed it out!)
So many possibilities!
Considering Nero and the Narada got ‘consumed’ by the resulting black hole created by the red matter (at the end of 09), I reckon the angry Romulan from the Prime universe will also be returning (and that he, like George Kirk, somehow survived).
I also don’t think Paramount are going to do a reset back to Prime - rather, I think they might do an alternative branch-off from the Kelvinverse, as Christopher has suggested.
A Georgie Kirk surviving / USS Kelvin spin-off - with Robau and her crew adventure series would be great (IMO).
Alternatively - what if George Kirk from the Kelvinverse was thrown forward (upon his death) into the Prime timeline from which Nero and Old Spock came from? GK gets picked up by Picard and the Enterprise-E... (okay, that does sound stupid, now that I’ve typed it out!)
So many possibilities!
Why??? It's not like George Kirk only existed for the few minutes of Nero's attack. He had a whole life before that. What a total waste it would be to retell the same George Kirk story we've already seen when there are so many other stories about him that could be explored.
Besides, let's get real here -- the studio isn't doing George Kirk because they want to revisit the events of the first movie, they're doing it because George Kirk went on to become Thor and get really famous so they want him in their movie so they can make gobs of money. Is Eric Bana anywhere near as big a box-office draw? No. He was widely regarded as the weak link of the 2009 film's cast. So the studio has no incentive to bring him back.
I was not "suggesting" that; it would be an utterly pointless thing to do when they've already got an alternate timeline that's barely been explored. I was just saying that it would be foolish to think they'd ever "reset" things back to Prime, because Prime never went anywhere. If they wanted to make more Prime movies, they could just go ahead and do it, like Discovery already did.
I like Faran Tahir, but again, he's just not a box-office draw in the same league as Chris Hemsworth. So I doubt the studio is thinking in anything like those terms.
Why? Well, for the reason that Nero was the catalyst for the incursion, that created the Kelvinverse - and the reason George Kirk died in the first instance - so it stands to reason that he might make an appearance again - considering his demise was left somewhat open (Yes, he died, but through the time altering effects of red matter / black hole, etc - it’s still a possibility that can be explored). Not saying it will happen, or should - just saying that if they can bring George Kirk back, I don’t see Bana as Nero as being off-the-cards either. Anything is possible - especially when time-travel is involved.
To clarify: No you didn’t suggest that Paramount/CBS would do that - but you mentioned that if ‘the events of 09 movie were altered, it would just result in another parallel’ - which is what I’m referring to, as a possible device.
And yes, I still think this could be a possibility - in light of the fact that Hemsworth is coming back, and some kind of timely-wimeyness is likely to be used in a future movie.
Likely or not, it's still possible - and entirely dependent on the how studio brings Kirk Senior back (the whole of the USS Kelvin survives perhaps)?
The likelihood of Hemsworth coming back to Trek was non-existent a few years ago and almost ridiculous to suggest - and yet here we are now...
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I'm not talking about fixing/restoring/whatever the timeline, simply saving 6 billion Vulcan lives within the Kelvin continuity. THAT is something which would motivate the hell out of Spock.
At this point I'd be surprised if the movies revisit the Kelvin timeline, I think the ship has sailed and it's very fanwanky to us old fans, they have a new universe and new audience now (mind you Beyond didn't do great at the box office which is a pity because it was a bloomin good film).
I'm saying that as the guy who wants Picard/Shat back, I just feel that the opportunities came up but have passed through rejection etc., plus it seems Sir Pat as Picard will be appearing on TV soon - CBS and Paramount remember are two separate entities
I repeat the question I already asked: Why define George Kirk's entire life exclusively by his death? Why assume that the only George Kirk story worth telling is the one they've already told?
And again: The catalyst for bringing George Kirk back has nothing to do with story continuity or time-travel logic and everything to do with Chris Hemsworth being really famous now. Eric Bana is not really famous now, and Nero is not considered one of the great Trek villains. There's no real-world incentive for the filmmakers to want to bring Nero back.
That's a meaningless phrase. Countless things have different degrees of possibility, which is exactly why it's necessary to weigh them in terms of their relative likeliness. For instance, it's possible that you could win the lottery, but immeasurably more likely that you won't. The reason people are foolish enough to throw their money away on the lottery is because they don't understand the importance of weighing probabilities and thus waste their money and faith on a remote "possibility" that's statistically indistinguishable from impossibility. "Possible" is a useless standard, because by itself it's too unspecific. "Likely" is what actually matters in life.
In other words, saying something is "possible" is like saying it has a temperature. What temperature? Is it 20 below zero or 100 above? The statement is meaningless until you specify the quantity, so you can compare one temperature against others. That's what likeliness is.
In the books, in the prime universe, George Kirk disappeared and was presumed dead. Even in the movies, all we know is that in the prime timeline, George Kirk lived to see Kirk become captain. That does not contradict those books. What if George Kirk Prime somehow was thrust back in time and ended up in the Kelvin universe? If this happens, then not only will we have Kirk Prime's father alive, it will once and for all prove that the prime universe still exists other than by Abrams' word.
Given that Kelvin George Kirk only existed for a few minutes on screen, it's not like it matters that much and it would be a pretty cool thing meeting the man that fathered the Shatner version of Kirk.
Given that Kelvin George Kirk only existed for a few minutes on screen, it's not like it matters that much and it would be a pretty cool thing meeting the man that fathered the Shatner version of Kirk.
Except saving them is impossible. Thwarting Nero would result in a new branch but never alter the one where Vulcan was destroyed—according to the way the time travel rules were laid out.
I’m not assuming a thing: I simply stated that I have a feeling Nero will be back, if George Kirk is brought back by the studio. That is all. Call it simply a hunch, my hunch as to what the studio will do (no supporting evidence whatsoever, insider knowledge - just my speculation).
I’m not defining George Kirks’ existence by his death - or deep diving into his character as defined by Nero - rather, I feel it’s highly probable / likely Nero will be brought back also, perhaps for George Kirk himself to face again in different circumstances - or with the advantage of foresight, through Kirk junior, etc - or perhaps to change the outcome of Nero’s fate, and cause the Romulan to choose a different path, and find a peace he never achieved previously, etc, etc.
The studio is bringing back George Kirk - and for whatever the reason (cynically for a dollar spinning exercise perhaps) - I still think George and James Kirks connecting tissue could actually be argued to be that of Nero himself (no matter how weak a character he may be perceived by some to be), and no matter how contrived the storytelling might be to achieve that.[/QUOTE]
whatever the real-world motivation for Hemsworth’s return, none of that has any bearing on how they tell the story of George Kirks return to the Kelvinverse, and James Kirks existence. Nero may not be considered to be ‘one of the great Trek villains’ but he is still the instigator of the event which created this parallel timeline - so he’s a connecting past link if you will, between the Kelvinverse creation, and Georgie and James Kirk - and one I believe likely to also return in the next movie(s).
Eric Bana not being famous has little relevance as to whether Nero could be brought back (IMO) in a future movie.
Thanks for unpacking that...
...and sure, I’ll concede: I think it’s highly likely / highly possible that Eric Bana will return as Nero in the next Trek movie that Chris Hemsworth also returns in, for the reasons I’ve previously stated - mostly based on a feeling I have.
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Wow, you really don't understand how the movie business works. Real-world considerations (mainly those involving money) always have a bearing on how movies' stories are determined. Scripts are written to fit those real-world concerns, no matter how far the story logic has to be twisted to accommodate them.
Wow, I have never claimed to understand how the movie industry works - and your statement comes across as condescending.
I was simply making a comment about what I feel the next movie will entail - and I still maintain that Nero is highly likely to be part of the story involving Kirk’s return.
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Don't sweat it. He doesn't know as much about the film/TV biz as he thinks he does.
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