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P/C: our thread is eternal

Naraht said:
Congratulations, rosyrock and mackillian! I really should get around to posting some of my stuff there--it scares me for some reason.

I really reckon you should.. I am the biggest nervous nitwit there is about my writing.. but having a good friend and beta (to make sure I don't keep stalling) like Mackillian made it heaps easier to post it there (well actually she posted that story.. I sorta looked on and clapped like a preschooler when she said "all done!")

I know for a fact that there are PC addicts out there who are dying for more to read, we writers get threatened all the time about how lazy we are. So go for it..
 
You SO know that L word.. We left 'em hanging with that MU story.. and all you could say was "did we?"
 
I do tend to be on the laconic side.

And leaving them hanging (but did we really? the only loose string was Barclay ;)) wasn't out of laziness, but rather, extreme busyness. You know, recovering from shoulder surgery (okay, so that was remarkably quick), photographing portraits and weddings, writing original fiction...

Oh, and staying away from the p/c writing muse because I can't do anything else when she's got her claws in me. And I've got novels to finish!

As for ASC, I was surprised at the p/c placing (not that rosy's writing isn't remarkably good, I'm just surprised whenever anything I'm involved in wins anything) and at the general TNG story placing for Hello, My Name is Michael. For the latter, the surprise was because the story itself evolved out of a quick writing lesson on the fanfic board on this forum. Strange, that.
 
Oh excuses, excuses Mackillian, touchy one! Struck a nerve did I?.. And from memory we'd almost plotted a whole sequel, remember...?? The son and heir getting all revengy and angsty.. the lust.. the twisted sex - geriatric and otherwise....
 
rosyrock said:
Oh excuses, excuses Mackillian, touchy one! Struck a nerve did I?.. And from memory we'd almost plotted a whole sequel, remember...?? The son and heir getting all revengy and angsty.. the lust.. the twisted sex - geriatric and otherwise....

:eek:

Sounds like quite a project!

I await the HOT TWISTED GERIATRIC (AND OTHERWISE) SEX
 
I wander back while distracting myself from the many projects I should be working on and discover that Valeris has killed the eternal thread! ;)

Anyway, just popped in to see if any of you P/C lot (or others) have read the two newest TNG relaunch novels. Aaaand, if you have, what you thought of them.

*waits*

Oh, and I've read them both, in case any of you are wondering. And since my husband won't read them, I have to find other people to chat with about them.
 
There are books? Books? Plural books? It's been such a while since we've had any TNG books I've rather got out the habit of looking. What's out there? How P/C are they? C'mon, spill spill.
 
[reappears for a moment, in spite of her temporary lack of a computer or the full-size keyboard for her Treo] Speaking of novels, when (if ever) do we get to see the rest of the one with the P/C scene that was advertised in the back of DiW?

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Hey! In all of the uncertainty of things right now, it's good to see familier handles.
 
Just wanted to say hi :)

I've nothing to add to the discussion of books because I'm way behind on buying anything, but I've been offline for way too long with several busted computers, so now that I'm back I figured I'd see what my favourite TNG thread was up to.
 
mackillian said:
Anyway, just popped in to see if any of you P/C lot (or others) have read the two newest TNG relaunch novels. Aaaand, if you have, what you thought of them.

*waits*

I've read the first two post-NEM TNG novels, and didn't really care for either one (my reasonin' was posted in the Trek Lit forum a couple of months ago, I may still be able to find it, though). I'm still goin' to stick with the "TNG Relaunch" just 'cause KRAD & Peter David wrote the third & fourth books. Those guys rarely screw the pooch when it comes to Trek lit, so I'm hopin' they're good books.

If not, I'll just add this series to the others on my "not goin' to read 'em" list, which includes ENT, post-finale ENT, VOY Relaunch, and any new New Frontier.

- edit, to add -

Alright, instead of goin' for the Trek Lit thread, I found the LiveJournal entry I wrote for both Death in Winter and Resistance.

Be warned - SPOILERS!!!

I picked up the first post-Nemesis novel when it came out in paperback a couple of weeks ago, and just finished it the other night.

Didn't care for it at all.

First, it's by Michael Jan Friedman, who used to write a really good Trek story, before he became so wrapped up in his Stargazer characters. And, of course, he brings three of 'em into this story - Pug Joseph, Carter Grayhorse and Idun Asmund. Though, to be fair, Asmund only has a quick cameo, while Joseph & Grayhorse are supportin' players to Picard's mission into Romulan territory.

Second, if ya aren't a fan of the Picard / Crusher 'ship, ya are goin' to hate this story. So much of it depends on Picard's "love" for Beverly, his sense of loss without her on the ship & upon hearin' the news that she may have been lost in Romulan territory. And, then there's Beverly's own "life flashin' before her eyes" bit, where she realizes how much she's enjoyed Picard's company over the years.

Third, the other TNG characters used, Worf & Geordi, wind up lookin' like impotent morons thanks to intervention from Admiral Janeway. And Sela is made to look like a heavy handed tyrant, rather than the sneaky behind the scenes type she was shown to be on the series. And, of course, Tomalak doesn't get much to do at all except defend the preator and outsmart Donatra in a battle sequence that doesn't even make sense.

Those are my big complaints about the book.

The story itself is pretty simple. Thanks to previous experience with a group of refugees from Romulan territory, Beverly is sent Romulan border territory to work on a cure for a disease that is spreadin' through the native population of one of the Empire's subject worlds. She's lost in action when Sela succeeds in capturin' her.

Picard gets word from Starfleet Command that they need him to lead a team to the same planet - first order is to develop the cure for the disease, second order is to find Beverly if she isn't already dead. To that end, Pug Joseph is brought in, since he has a civilian freighter to get them across the border, while Carter just happened to work on a vaccine with Crusher durin' her first stint at Starfleet Medical, so he gets sprung from prison (see the events in TNG: Reunion for that one).

Meanwhile, Worf & Geordi remain on the Big E, tryin' to figure out where Picard may have gone in search of Beverly, and just as they narrow it down, Janeway arrives and castrates Worf before they can leave the ship.

And, in Romulan territory, there's Donatra with her fleet of ships waitin' for the moment to go into battle against Tomalak's loyal fleet while a former Romulan admiral becomes a rabblerouser against the new preator, who was the only senator to survive Shinzon's bomb.

Picard spends the story pinin' for Beverly, while Beverly spends the story in a holdin' cell or bein' held prisoner by a double agent tryin' to make Sela look bad.

And the endin' is so damn predictable, it's downright silly. The free Romulan who spends the mission tryin' to make up for an error early on gets his chance at redemption, only to fail. Picard is able to come chargin' to the rescue, but leaves Sela behind, because it's too much of a risk to take her prisoner. And a cure is available before all hell breaks loose.

Plus, when the new chief medical officer arrives, Picard was expectin' a man. Makes me wonder who Beverly screwed over to take her old post back just to surprise the captain in his ready room.

I've already started the second post-Nemesis, TNG: Resistance by J.M. Dillard, and I'm not too impressed with it, either, especially since it starts with a note for note repeat of Picard's Borg nightmare from ST: First Contact.

...

Just finished the second post-ST: Nemesis story, this one written by J.M. Dillard, an author who usually sticks with novelizations of the movies, and it shows with the openin' chapter bein' a step by step description of the openin' scene of ST: First Contact, with minor changes.

The story itself is set "months" after TNG: Death in Winter, though its the first time since ST: Nemesis is out of space dock...maybe. Doctor Crusher mentions an away mission that one of the new crewmembers had to be treated afterward, and before this, Crusher was still workin' at Starfleet Medical.

Another odd bit is that the ship's counselor got ferried out by shuttle, to rendevous with the Big E while it was en route to its first mission since the end of ST: Nemesis.

And if, while readin', ya miss the description of how the new counselor looks when she first beams aboard, don't worry - every member of the senior staff who sees her, except Geordi, creates a page & a half long description of how cherubic, short, and odd, for a Vulcan, she appears to be.

Also, it seems that J.M. Dillard believes there are only four positions on the bridge - captain's chair, first officer's station, counselor's station, and the conn. And the conn officer is the new Mary Sue, a young prodigy, the product of two Starfleet officers, the former chief of security for the Big E before transferrin' to the conn. Though that doesn't make sense in the novel continuity, since Christine Vale was the chief of security in the novels, 'til right before the events of ST: Nemesis. Why would Lieutenant Mary Sue have been chief of security for a ship in spacedock? Even more, how does that experience make her the MOST experienced one to transfer back when the position opens back up?

And yet another continuity issue, this one caused by TNG: Death in Winter is that when Worf communicates with Admiral Janeway via subspace, it's noted that he'd never met her in person.

The story is pretty straightforward - on the way to negotiate a cease fire between two alien cultures, Picard hears the song of the Borg, goes against orders to take on the cube before a new Borg Queen can be created, and winds up takin' on the identity of Locutus to do it.

That's pretty much it.

There's a lot of friction between Picard & the new counselor, Worf & the new counselor, Beverly & the new counselor, while Lieutenant Sue gets along well with everybody on the ship, and even trains with Worf on how to use a bat'leth. Sue even gets a one night stand, and can be excused from her station (one of only four, don't forget), to rush to the transporter room to wish her one night lover luck before the mission that he gets assimilated durin'.

The next couple of post-ST: Nemesis stories have been written by Keith R.A. DeCandido and Peter David, so I'm hopin' they turn out better than the first couple of 'em.

...

http://od0-ital.livejournal.com/231862.html
 
I used to love the profic novels, even having a few of them in hardback such as "Dark Mirror" by Diane Duane and "I, Q" by John De Lance and Peter David. In fact my 12 year-old daughter has discovered my collection of trek books and is working her way through them. I haven't bought a profic book in ages and I had to roll my eyes when I heard they were going to delve this heavily into shipper territory. The profic writers are a day late and a dollar short here. :lol: There is so much online shipper fanfic, especially P/C, out there that virtually every angle has been covered ad nauseam. Some of this fanfic is excellent, some of it – not so much. But it is all free. I hate to break it to the profic authors but they have no more claim to canon than someone like I do. :p

od0_ital said:

Od0_ital's[/b] review]Second, if ya aren't a fan of the Picard / Crusher 'ship, ya are goin' to hate this story. So much of it depends on Picard's "love" for Beverly, his sense of loss without her on the ship & upon hearin' the news that she may have been lost in Romulan territory. And, then there's Beverly's own "life flashin' before her eyes" bit, where she realizes how much she's enjoyed Picard's company over the years.

Of course, this reasoning completely contradicts the on screen canon. In "Attached" Picard says to Beverly, "And then, little by little, I realized that I didn't have those feelings anymore . . . twenty years is, after all, a long time."

In the episode "Lessons," Picard gives Daren the heave-ho from the Enterprise because he can't handle putting someone he is in love with in harms way to do their duty as a Starfleet officer. We are never shown any evidence that Picard has this problem with Dr. Crusher.

od0_ital said:
Lieutenant Mary Sue

:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:


Thank you for taking the time to write and post such a detailed review. :thumbsup: You saved me a few dollars (yes, I do read P/C. Just because I prefer P/V doesn't mean I don't read P/C :) ). This sounds like a typical run-of-the-mill P/C shipper fanfic that you can find on-line. Why pay for something I can find online for free?

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
od0_ital said:

The story is pretty straightforward - on the way to negotiate a cease fire between two alien cultures, Picard hears the song of the Borg, goes against orders to take on the cube before a new Borg Queen can be created, and winds up takin' on the identity of Locutus to do it.

I skipped right to the spoilers, and it seems to me this book is little more than a rehash of "Unimatrix Zero." I thought it would be a genuine sacrifice once more, but it turned out to be a frickin' farce! :brickwall:

[Of course, his "complete" re-assimilation was little more than a rehash of Tuvok's similar experience of faking and then giving in.]
 
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