Other people find it cringe, but you don’t
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I was raised on Star Trek so I don't remember not knowing how TMP ends but I definitely would have rolled my eyes at that going in blind on a first viewing.
I don't think it's so much the bulk of that scene with Data but in how quickly it gets resolved. Even if people like Data they still might not be comfortable taking orders from a machine (like the guy on the battle bridge in Redemption). While I love TNG I think it's an example of how it could be too conflict avoidant and never really let the main cast go at it like Spock and Bones or like happened on DS9 at times.
I frequently see it ranked as the worst Star Trek season of all time which to me is insane and just grading it compared to the rest of TNG. It's the worst TNG season by an order of magnitude but there's way worse stuff out there (TOS S3, 3 out of 4 Enterprise seasons, PIC S3, the entirety of Voyager). Honestly outside of Duet DS9 S1 is a lot rougher than early TNG, the cast did not mesh at all to start with and felt so clunky interacting with each other. One thing to say for early TNG is the the cast really landed on their feet, almost everybody seemed to have a handle on their character right off the bat and there was immediate chemistry, even in the very early episodes it felt believable that they were all living together on the ship.
(Sorry, don’t quite get how to break up quotes..)
Re TMP ending: Okay — why? Honest question.
Re Data/Worf: I get what you’re saying re people in general, but Data and Worf have known each other for years at this point. While there’s no indication they’re particularly close, Worf shows definite momentary sorrow when he thinks he’s dead in the Fajo episode. So while I totally buy J. Random Crewman resenting an order from Data, I find it difficult to see that in Worf. (I wouldn’t if they had just met, or if this were one of the early episodes with Lightbulb-Head Worf.)
Talked about this in another thread so it's on my mind but it just seems lame that the resolution to this big serious 2 1/2 hour movie is a pun.
Not necessarily saying they shouldn't have resolved it's just way too fast and easy. Data says "I am sorry if I have ended our friendship" and Worf is like "No, it is I who have jeopardized our friendship". Feels like I'm watching a segment on Mr. Rogers teaching kids how to apologize. Gambit is still a great episode I just don't think that one subplot is handled that well.
I don’t mind Alexander.
I feel like I don’t mind a lot of things which people mind about TNG generally.
I feel like I don’t mind a lot of things which people mind about TNG generally.
I hate Insurrection but I love the Gilbert and Sullivan routine.
You have faith of the heart.
I often sing it when I’m driving.
It’s not like, the Best Song Ever, but it’s not bad and it works for the show.
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1. I love the concept behind the Ocampa. Yes, the stuff that the writers said about Ocampan reproduction in Elogium is ridiculous, but one of the things,that I actually like about Episodic Star Trek is the ridiculousness factor, especially given the show's nature as a Sci-Fi property
2. I unapologetically love the episode Threshold for the same basic reasons
3. I'm an unapologetic supporter of the Worf/Troi, Seven/Chakotay, and Kes/Neelix couplings, and genuinely wish we'd seen more of all 3
2. I unapologetically love the episode Threshold for the same basic reasons
3. I'm an unapologetic supporter of the Worf/Troi, Seven/Chakotay, and Kes/Neelix couplings, and genuinely wish we'd seen more of all 3
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Tasha's drug speech. Yes it is over-simplified, but...
1) It doesn't give any wrong information
2) It ties in with the theme of the episode
3) It is a realistic thing for Tasha to have been confronted with while growing up on Mad Max world
4) It's at least one part of her backstory that doesn't default to the rape gangs
5) It's the only scene that shows her and Wesley's supposed "bond"
6) Wesley is a sheltered teenager who would not have much/any practical knowledge about this topic.
1) It doesn't give any wrong information
2) It ties in with the theme of the episode
3) It is a realistic thing for Tasha to have been confronted with while growing up on Mad Max world
4) It's at least one part of her backstory that doesn't default to the rape gangs
5) It's the only scene that shows her and Wesley's supposed "bond"
6) Wesley is a sheltered teenager who would not have much/any practical knowledge about this topic.
the ENT Decon-gel scene isn't cringe to me.
I know they did it for the ratings but it actually makes sense. I know there's hand-waving about decontamination being handled by the transporters in later series' but Enterprise didn't have that option, and something like decon should happen for shuttle crews though its never shown again, apart from once on Lower Decks.
I know they did it for the ratings but it actually makes sense. I know there's hand-waving about decontamination being handled by the transporters in later series' but Enterprise didn't have that option, and something like decon should happen for shuttle crews though its never shown again, apart from once on Lower Decks.
That first scene in the pilot with all the close ups was very gratuitous but agree I don't really have a problem with it in general. Made sense for an early Trek show where they're pretty much always going somewhere humans have never been so they have no idea what they could pick up. And the tech wasn't as advanced as TNG where they could explain it away with "the ship's internal contagion detector kills any hazardous germs blah blah blah"
"Drugs make you feel good"- no lies detected
yeah. when I was young I read Frederick Pohl's novel Gateway, where humans find an asteroid around the orbit of Venus full of small starships and just blindly take them wherever they go for hopes of striking it rich. Most of them don't return or come back dead. One was a crew that just died of terrible allergic reactions. The book kind of ruined the idea of boldly-going pretty quickly, but it's nice when star trek at least TRIES to appreciate the dangers of other biospheres as something besides an occasional plot point.
Some drugs do make you feel good, especially if they're medically necessary and prescribed to be so (medically necessary)
Drugs feel good all the time.
I love drugs. I do.
So now what?
I love drugs. I do.
So now what?
Tasha's so gonna wag her finger at you!
(While Wesley acts all innocent like he wasn't drunk as a skunk on space water not too many episodes ago, taking over engineering and everything.)
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