Ontario Provincial Politics

[Marc]

While Ford was in Northern Ontario, not once did he actually raise any of the issues we've had or even try to understand us in the north. Just very mum on anything, which makes him an empty platform in my book. He's very much clueless and didn't even make an effort. I don't think he'll be too popular here.

I think a lot of people are going to find that.

ford's very vague on policy and I don't think he's gonna get any better.

Last week when he announced that he'd shitcan the head of hydro one, he didn't give details on how he'd do it, took 5 (shades of harper here) questions then ducked back into his office and left Todd Smith to explain that they couldn't actually sack the guy directly but would have to sack the board and appoint a new board that would then sack him (and trigger a $10.5mil pay out for firing without cause).

 

[Owain Taggart]

I think a lot of people are going to find that.

Yeah, hopefully. I think there's still time for people to make up their minds. He certainly hasn't impressed me lol.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Just very mum on anything, which makes him an empty platform in my book.

I think it's intentional. Just spout a bunch of empty slogans, don't say anything of substance (because people may see they don't like your substance, plus you avoid putting your foot in your mouth), and just coast to victory simply by being the anti-Wynne.

It'll probably work, too.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Voters should probably give him the mum word back :P

 

[Avro Arrow]

Just read this, and thought it bears shouting from the rooftops...

With populist politics, it's emotion not economics that drives decisions

Hopefully the voters of Ontario can manage to get a better sense of their own self-interest.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, I don't like Wynne, and I don't like Ford. I'll be voting NDP. I feel Horwath is our best chance. She gives me a feeling that she has a better reading of the situation.

 

[Marynator]

Just read this, and thought it bears shouting from the rooftops...

With populist politics, it's emotion not economics that drives decisions

Hopefully the voters of Ontario can manage to get a better sense of their own self-interest.

Oh yes, most people form opinions and make decisions from emotion not reason. It's like why you can't convince people to change their minds with facts or anything like that, you've got to appeal to their feelings. And campaigning is usually so much more about getting people who've already decided to vote for you to actually go vote, right?

Oh and I totally mentioned this thread to my family when I was visiting Ontario. I asked all their opinions, and like they all new they hated Ms Wynne, but like no one could really tell me why and none of them knew who they're going to vote for, lol.

 

[ALF]

It'll probably work, too.

It very likely could. I feel every time we have a provincial election in Canada, it's like a blotter test to see if we are still able to perform critical thought and the results aren't encouraging.

I voted for Horwarth in 2014 but I wouldn't vote for her again. She hasn't impressed me very much and simply not being Doug Ford or Kathleen Wynne isn't quite enough to secure her ascent into Canadian sainthood as a provincial premier.

Oh yes, most people form opinions and make decisions from emotion not reason. It's like why you can't convince people to change their minds with facts or anything like that, you've got to appeal to their feelings.

Bingo. This is something Justin T. nailed during the 2015 election against Harper. It wasn't that Justin was especially great at selling positive vibes, it's that Harper came on so fucking strong with the negative ones... the more appealing choice was quite obvious.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Oh and I totally mentioned this thread to my family when I was visiting Ontario. I asked all their opinions, and like they all new they hated Ms Wynne, but like no one could really tell me why

That seems to be a bit of a theme around here!

 

[Marc]

Tory members weren't too happy when brown interfere in pre-selections but now ford's out down him and appointed 11 candidates for various ridings.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...e-in-flurry-of-pre-election-appointments.html

Between ford and wynne we really are damned one or the other.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Apparently there's a bit of disagreement in the Ford camp as to whether they should play it as safe as possible, or just "let Doug be Doug".

Why is Doug Ford giving Kathleen Wynne a chance to invoke Donald Trump?

 

[Avro Arrow]

A great article by Tiffany Gooch on the gender disparity in politics, with specific focus on Wynne vs. Ford:

Mediocre men walk their way through political campaigns. It is time to end the double standard facing women on the campaign trail

 

[Marynator]

A great article by Tiffany Gooch on the gender disparity in politics, with specific focus on Wynne vs. Ford:

Mediocre men walk their way through political campaigns. It is time to end the double standard facing women on the campaign trail

Thank you so very kindly for sharing this, it's so very interesting. I feel it's totally because of voters, who can be as racist or sexist as however they want, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it right? I feel things will change eventually, when enough women realize we're allowed to think and act however we want and not just how we're told, and then we'll finally see Nikola Tesla's prediction come true, lol.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I feel it's totally because of voters, who can be as racist or sexist as however they want, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it right?

It is SO disheartening to read through some of the comment sections on news sites (those that still have them anyway) on stories related to the election, and see such vile misogynistic (and anti-LGBT) attacks against Wynne. While male politicians have their detractors too, the level of vitriol involved is nowhere near the same.

I feel things will change eventually, when enough women realize we're allowed to think and act however we want and not just how we're told, and then we'll finally see Nikola Tesla's prediction come true, lol.

I had to look that one up; I hadn't heard of it before now. That's awesome, thank you for sharing that!

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, it seems like a lot of people can't separate the person from the politics. Terrible that they feel the need to attack Wynne for her personal choices. I personally feel that anyone should be able to do what they want in life. Personally, I don't hate Wynne, I just dislike her platform. What she does in her own time should not have any effect on the voters. That's just frothing at the mouth at something they can't change.

 

[Marynator]

It is SO disheartening to read through some of the comment sections on news sites (those that still have them anyway) on stories related to the election, and see such vile misogynistic (and anti-LGBT) attacks against Wynne. While male politicians have their detractors too, the level of vitriol involved is nowhere near the same.

Oh how I know! I won't read comments at all whenever I read a news story on the internet. And it's why I'll never use facebook ever again. It's like people seem to me we're at our worst when we're making internet comments or we're voting, right?

I'm so glad you found his thought interesting! I totally see what he says happening, but it's going to take a while.

 

[Marc]

ford is still failing to denounce granic-allen for her bigotry where as pretty much any other leader or party would have punted her out the door.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...look-to-rescue-gop/ar-AAwhTzk?ocid=spartandhp

and he is now promising to cut 12.5% of hydro bills as something new despite his plan being what the brown had already committed to (no credit being given) and his criticism of the liberals and their plan to cut hydro rates.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...romises-additional-12-cut-to-hydro-bills.html

Also from the same while attacking the liberals for their deficits he's not going to rule out doing the same thing with regards to counting assets etc but it could be a dangerous path.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...-all-three-of-ontarios-political-parties.html

and at the end of the day the province has a big deficit and yet the tories are trotting out the good old mantra of tax cuts depsite business taxes in ontario being some of the lowest in the country and the overwhelming evidence that tax cuts for business and the big end of town utterly fail to lead to job creation and economic growth.

 

[Avro Arrow]

ford is still failing to denounce granic-allen for her bigotry where as pretty much any other leader or party would have punted her out the door.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...look-to-rescue-gop/ar-AAwhTzk?ocid=spartandhp

I'm wondering if it's possible you pasted in the wrong link here by mistake? This recent column deals with Ford and Granic Allen, maybe it's the one you intended?

What change looks like in a Doug Ford government

Although he made a token effort to distance himself and the party from her comments, now it's apparently back to "I congratulate my friend". This is the side of the party that, quite honestly, scares me, and has no place in Ontario... or anywhere.

 

[Marc]

I'm wondering if it's possible you pasted in the wrong link here by mistake? This recent column deals with Ford and Granic Allen, maybe it's the one you intended?

What change looks like in a Doug Ford government

Although he made a token effort to distance himself and the party from her comments, now it's apparently back to "I congratulate my friend". This is the side of the party that, quite honestly, scares me, and has no place in Ontario... or anywhere.

yeah that's the link I meant. Guess I failed at copy and past there.

that's the problem with an election like what we're facing this year. Candidates like granic-allen who would normally be as palatable as a shit-sandwich are going to get preselected and then win.

At least brown had the courage to back flip on the like of that vile unChristian woman.

Speaking of brown, now he that's suing CTV it could get interesting if questions get asked in court about the origins of the story and if the two women who made the accusation are up on the stand. As time goes by I think he was knifed by elements within his own party.

 

[Kelthaz]

Sigh, I can't say I'm surprised. Angry, but not surprised.

Doug Ford assured developers he plans to open up Greenbelt to housing development