So same-sex marriage and sex education are "oppressing" her?
How?
How?
Ontario Provincial Politics
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infringing on her right to be bigot?
As I said upthread this is the sort of election where the real fruitcakes like granic-allen can get elected because normally outside of very soldly conservative riding, the likes of her would have no chance.
I'm not looking forward to next year's provincial election in Alberta. Jason Kenney is determined to be premier, and some of his followers are determined to dismantle the GSAs in schools, or at least repeal the law that says the schools are not supposed to notify the parents if their kid joins one.
I noticed in the article that this woman seems to think that provinces can overturn the federal same-sex marriage legislation. As I recall, when it was first brought in there were people here who demanded that the premier use the notwithstanding clause to exempt Alberta from having to recognize such marriages.
I noticed in the article that this woman seems to think that provinces can overturn the federal same-sex marriage legislation. As I recall, when it was first brought in there were people here who demanded that the premier use the notwithstanding clause to exempt Alberta from having to recognize such marriages.
SSM has been legal in Canada for well over a decade now. If the provinces had a chance of overturning it they would have tried long before now.
Ford might make a sop to the social conservatives and scrap the sex education policy (which would be step backwards but not something that coudn't be undone a later date).
Seeing a bit of a pattern here.
Yesterday ford promised more subways for Toronto (something that might have triggered deja vu not only because Patrick Brown had previously made the commitment but also the involvement with the fords & subways) that would cost $5Bil but no details on where the money would come from.
Today he commits to tax cuts but there's not details on how they would cover the money lost out of the budget (and left it's the to his finance spokesman to answer the hard questions).
Yesterday ford promised more subways for Toronto (something that might have triggered deja vu not only because Patrick Brown had previously made the commitment but also the involvement with the fords & subways) that would cost $5Bil but no details on where the money would come from.
Today he commits to tax cuts but there's not details on how they would cover the money lost out of the budget (and left it's the to his finance spokesman to answer the hard questions).
I admittedly haven't been following Alberta politics that closely, but I thought I read recently that Kenney had promised not to touch the GSAs or the notification rules?
Efficiencies, of course. Everything comes from efficiencies...
Would you agree with the assessment in today's star?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...ng-votes-visit-on-torontos-transit-users.html
I do wonder how long it will take with doug ford as premier before people start to miss the Liberals?
While the Liberals are taking flak over hydro prices (which seems to be the biggest issue) which is partially self inflected they seem to forget they also had to put hydro back together after the mess the tories left in it (not only the billions in debt from the failed privatisation but from years of neglect).
Seems there's a federal pilot program to attract people to the region but old dougie boy's not too keen on it.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...ario-and-lashes-out-at-horwath-and-wynne.html
Not much of a surprise, to be honest. He just seems to be clueless about everything that matters. He'd just be another one that forgets that there are other places other than the GTA.
What? lol By his account, northerners are not part of Ontario? We have just as much equal right as any other part of Ontario to be populated, Mr Ford.
This article is quite a doozy...
Historically, the Tories haven't been very popular with the North, and with comments like these, we can almost be assured they won't be anytime soon. We've historically flipped between Liberals and NDP, but the Liberals have held on longest.
What? lol By his account, northerners are not part of Ontario? We have just as much equal right as any other part of Ontario to be populated, Mr Ford.
This article is quite a doozy...
Historically, the Tories haven't been very popular with the North, and with comments like these, we can almost be assured they won't be anytime soon. We've historically flipped between Liberals and NDP, but the Liberals have held on longest.
So let's see, in the first debate, Doug Ford told Premier Wynne that "you obviously don't understand numbers". Yet his own understanding of how math works seems suspect at best.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...is-not-only-untrue-its-complete-nonsense.html
He also asserted to his rival leaders that "unlike both of you, I've actually helped to run a government".
Um, what? Doug Ford was a Toronto city councilor for four years, sure, but Kathleen Wynne has sat as a government MPP for almost fifteen years, including six years as a cabinet minister, and five years as premier!
And of course, he infamously told the premier of the province that "you've got a nice smile on your face." Which he unfathomably decided to double down on in the Northern Issues debate, when he said, "I still like that smile".
I'll be honest, I read that as more of a slam against the immigrants than against northern Ontarians. Which is interesting in itself, because all the Ford supporters who keep refuting the comparison to Trump always seem to lead with, "Doug Ford isn't anti-immigration like Trump is!". Except, well... maybe he is.
But, but, Doug Ford loves northern Ontario... he repeatedly says so himself!
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...is-not-only-untrue-its-complete-nonsense.html
He also asserted to his rival leaders that "unlike both of you, I've actually helped to run a government".
Um, what? Doug Ford was a Toronto city councilor for four years, sure, but Kathleen Wynne has sat as a government MPP for almost fifteen years, including six years as a cabinet minister, and five years as premier!
And of course, he infamously told the premier of the province that "you've got a nice smile on your face." Which he unfathomably decided to double down on in the Northern Issues debate, when he said, "I still like that smile".
I'll be honest, I read that as more of a slam against the immigrants than against northern Ontarians. Which is interesting in itself, because all the Ford supporters who keep refuting the comparison to Trump always seem to lead with, "Doug Ford isn't anti-immigration like Trump is!". Except, well... maybe he is.
But, but, Doug Ford loves northern Ontario... he repeatedly says so himself!
Tories might be able to make some ground in Northern Ontario with the Francophone community.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...-who-are-still-fighting-for-their-rights.html
And the tories seem to be really rolling out the bigot brigade this time around. One of them was hand picked by ford as a candidate and (use to work for exra lavent's little hate rag so ford would have been well aware of his views).
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...her-candidate-with-bigoted-views-emerges.html
Well that was a depressing read. But yes, it's a good summary of the chaos involving transit planning in this city.
Yeah, it definitely reads that way too. But I think the other way is just as valid an interpretation since he's making the region take a backseat. Because honestly, if he's slamming immigration into the region and holding it back from progress, then the end result is Northern Ontarians end up feeling lesser valued overall, making us feel like we don't matter in the overall picture. It affects us directly as a region.
We pay just as much, sometimes even more for some of the basics. A lot of our money instead of staying here, ie mining industry, goes straight to TO. There's also a current campaign for a new casino, where again money would go straight to TO. We will be also paying a lot for the transit upgrade, something we likely will never see personally or get to use.
So, for Ford to say that, it very much has the sentiment that we don't matter to him, and it's those kind of sentiments that lead to feel like there's a great divide between the northern and southern regions of the province. It's not surprising though; he's a man from Toronto calling shots, which is something we're all too often familiar with, and a man who's entirely clueless in what we're dealing with.
Guess ford's thinking is that the most of the country ridings are very much solid blue so he's gonna have their support anyway, Northern Ontario is normally orange so if he makes inroads there it's a plus but the big area he wants are the normally liberal dominated ridings in the GTA - that's where he'll pick up the seats to win.
And of course, he infamously told the premier of the province that "you've got a nice smile on your face." Which he unfathomably decided to double down on in the Northern Issues debate, when he said, "I still like that smile".
When I wrote this yesterday, I had read an article that mentioned it, but hadn't yet seen the video. Turns out it was at the end of the debate. Wynne and Ford shook hands, then Wynne tried to turn to go shake Horwath's hand, and Ford deliberately held on, forcing her to turn back as he delivered his comment. This is really disturbing.
This article has the video: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...omment-about-kathleen-wynne-s-smile-1.4659038
Yeah, Lawton. Not my specific riding, but my area, so we've heard a lot about him. (Not so much Fullerton, but I guess her writings were uncovered more recently?)
If it helps, that doesn't seem to be the only thing he's clueless about.
OK, so to turn away from Ford for a bit... Horwath has announced her party's hydro plan. They want to buy back Hydro One (heard this earlier, I believe) and end time-of-day pricing.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...f-peak-discounts-horwath-says-in-sudbury.html
I'm not sure how I feel about the promise to end time-of-day pricing. As someone who consistently tries to do all hydro-intensive tasks in off-peak hours, unless they apply the off-peak rate as the default rate (which I can't imagine they are going to do), then by definition my electricity charges would increase.
Since electricity is such a big election issue... just out of curiosity, how much is everyone paying for electricity? I live in SW Ontario, and I checked my last four bills, and I'm averaging about $74 per month.
According to this article, the average Ontario household paid $83.18 per month for electricity in 2016, but that's excluding taxes, delivery, etc. My $74 was for the whole electric bill. If I just look at the electricity itself, and exclude delivery, taxes etc., my average comes to about $37.50, well below the reported provincial average. Granted, I only took the average over four months, instead of an entire year, as I probably should have.
My average breaks down to about $8.50 (22.6%) on-peak, $5.15 (13.7%) mid-peak, and $23.90 (63.7%) off-peak. To see how that compares to raw usage in kWh, it averages to 13.2% on-peak, 11.1% mid-peak, and 75.7% off-peak.
One of the few things I like about the building I'm living in is my hydro is included but from comments from my-in-laws is it comes down to the additional fees which can be more than the hydro itself and that there can be fluctuations that just don't make sense and for the regional areas those fees can get even worse.
I know of cases in the Bancroft area where people are wound up with debts over $10K to hydro because they get reamed out on the delivery fees.
Can also depend on what you're using for heating. Baseboard heaters and you're dead meat, gas or oil can be a lot cheaper.
And we're seeing this because of people have only seen the past 15 years of the Liberals on hydro. They forget the mess that the tories left it in and while mcginty screwed up with the handling of the gas plant cancellation, people forget that both the NDP and Tories had made campaign promises to can them. Oh and neither side has really said anything about the elephant in the room. The massive costs for refurbishing the nuclear plants (about $10 - 15 bil) those there seems to be a lot of hydro-electric generation capacity that's not in use.
Also still waiting for ford to commit to not completing the privatisation of hydro one.
note for mods - can get we get a thread name to say Ontario 2018 election give it's upon us?
Oh, definitely. As I saw when calculating the averages, the actual electricity was only about half the bill, with delivery, taxes and other charges making up the other half.
Ouch, that's insane.Totally agreed. I have gas heating, and am very glad for that.
Well, I'm a mod, and also the OP, so sure, why not?
Global News tonight gave a bit more detail. a NDP government would have the same rate for hydro all day everday and would also standardise the distribution fees so if you were city, country whatever the rate would be the same.
One other thing - the tories are going on about the carbon tax which people shout about when gas prices go up but it's between and 2 and 4c per litre but the biggest increase comes from the base gas price (which was at 90c a litre the other day) but then you have provincial gas tax/federal gas tax and HST which is split between the province and the feds.and those three ad far more than the impact of the carbon tax.
Well, when you put it that way, that sounds like almost every campaign wish. If wishes were horses though!
It was his words though. They were not one of inclusion. In fact, they sounded very dismissive towards the region as a whole, as if we were an out-of-province burden . Coming from a hopeful leader, it's very awkward and disappointing to hear and not one I would want to see lead.
And in light of that other article linked, his comments make me fear for the areas even hit harder and most in need of support and hanging on to promises put forth by the party. It makes me sad to see that, and wanting change, I totally get it.
