Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

[Guy Gardener]

Kes was brought in as Neelix's bang buddy.

And then she didn't.

Which may be why Neelix wasn't so concerned, when she dumped him.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

People keep thinking I cry myself to sleep at night about this or it angers me in any way whatsoever

The language you use would suggest otherwise

 

[cooleddie74]

If this is NOT angry I'd hate to see absolutely boiling with rage.

 

[AlanC9]

An acknowledgement (as if one is needed in 2020) ... or a huge flashing billboard with sirens blaring and spotlights pointed to it? Discovery and Picard are doing the latter.

That\s just silly. It is impossible for scenes to have been less conspicuous than the ones involving Seven. This thread started because people weren't even sure how to interpret the first one.

 

[SolarisOne]

in as much SJW politics as possible, tiresome.

I was wondering how long it would be before you brought up that term. You should share your posts with the likes of Doomcock, Midnight's Edge, and Nerdotic. The demographics they serve would fucking orgasm.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In Voyager Body and Soul, Seven was in a position where she was expected to have relations with siblings. A boy and a girl, and she chose to run like ###k from both of them.

 

[fireproof78]

If this is NOT angry I'd hate to see absolutely boiling with rage.

Indeed. Also, it gives more importance to something that requires very little attention.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Anyone who uses SJW seriously just needs to be ignored. They’re people threatened by the notion that minorities exist and aren’t outcasts. They will try to justify it, claim they’re really upset about “politics” or some other attempt to hide that they just don’t like certain kinds of people. Some will even claim they’re apart of that group to justify it. If they aren’t telling the truth then it’s a sign of serious degree of self hatred. They’re the exact same people who got upset over that scene in TOS where Kirk and Uhura kissed. Them being Trek fans and someone not noticing that the show was pro-diversity to the point where Vulcans have a belief system based on it and finding even more diversity is the mission statement of the Federation that was stated in the opening of every episode of TOS and TNG.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Complaining about "SJWs" in Star Trek is like complaining water is wet.

 

[Jayson1]

An acknowledgement (as if one is needed in 2020) ... or a huge flashing billboard with sirens blaring and spotlights pointed to it? Discovery and Picard are doing the latter.



You're comparing Keiko with a member of the senior staff ? Really?



None of them were members of the main crew of a series. A crew of what, 6 or 7?



People keep thinking I cry myself to sleep at night about this or it angers me in any way whatsoever. I suppose it makes it easier to dismiss criticisms if you imagine I'm like that. I genuinely just find it pathetic and cringeworthy, that's all.



Oh please. How childish. I find the cast of Discovery unlikeable in pretty much their entirety, I'd quite happily see the lot of them replaced with a more charming cast, like on Picard, but nowhere have I spoke of any homophobia. I just find the showrunners obsession with sledgehammering in as much SJW politics as possible, tiresome.

Culber himself isn't really a series regular. That's how they could write him out of several episodes and why he doesn't really have much to do than randomly say Doctor things or be a good boyfriend. So he is very much like Keiko. His rank and position don't mean to much because Discovery doesn't seem like it needs to follow the usual Trek idea of filling out posts with their series regulars. It's why most of the bridge crew are the equvilent of Walter on Stargate. They still haven't told us who the chief engineer is and we only first saw the room in a Short Treks.

As for the shows politics. It's somewhat political in the sense it is really Trek's first show told from a feminist lense. Which is not a bad idea. Still wish it was a better show but that's another argument. Each show needs it's specific voice. Picard to me is actually Trek's first pure allegory to the modern world an I think is going to be like a novel that tells it's story over several seasons. TOS was more pure Science Fiction mixed together with some social allegory and 60's liberalism idea of a better future. TNG is about Roddenberry's vision. A fantasy built around an amazing world made somewhat relatable through characters who weren't overly emotional but instead approached stories from a kind of professional detachment that made these amazing and frankly unrealistic concepts feel normal thus making fans buy into it as maybe possible as well.

DS9 is political drama mixed in with some more realistic takes on Trek tropes and also a little bit of soap opera and I mean that in a good way and not in a bad way. Voyager was suppose to be about survival in a hostel environment but than it sort of just became high concept adventure escapism. Enterprise was suppose to be a contemporary space exploration show making people think back to the days when NASA and space travel was a big deal and then it kind of just became later season Voyager but with characters who are more like you and me and then it's season arc year yet was still the same show and so it was still more of a arc that you could have seen on Voyager. Then it finished off being fun fan fiction.

You shouldn't mix together a shows theme and premise with trying to shove things in. The show is trying to be it's own thing and not just copy past Trek and it might have even worked if they hadn't forced Fuller out.


Jason

 

[Charles Phipps]

Is "and Seven is bi" really such a big deal in 2020?

I mean, let's just retcon Garrick, Bashir, and Kira that way too. It's what the writers wanted anyway.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Is "and Seven is bi" really such a big deal in 2020?

Some people have issues and want the world and media to protect them from reality.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Some people have issues and want the world and media to protect them from reality.

I remember when I was 14 and was scandalized my imaginary waifu Willow Rosenberg was a lesbian!

I was a stupid kid then.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I remember when I was 14 and was scandalized my imaginary waifu Willow Rosenberg was a lesbian!

I was a stupid kid then.

At least you grew up and out of it. Some people are stuck.

 

[cooleddie74]

Newsflash: somebody else's sexuality is none of your business if they're not involving kids or animals. Let shows cast the diversity of characters they want and stop complaining.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Newsflash: somebody else's sexuality is none of your business if they're not involving kids or animals. Let shows cast the diversity of characters they want and stop complaining.

I think it's very much important in the case of a popular fictional character. It's why I wish Joss had made comic Buffy into a bisexual woman when he set her up with Satsu.

So I support this. It's not just a minor character but undoes a lot of Berman's homophobia retroactively.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Actually it wasn't really political reasons you had so few gay characters in the past because of course many writers back then would have loved to have more diversity. It was more about profit. The networks feared anything being to controversial would effects ratings and that means loosing money. It wasn't until shows and movies started showing you can make profit and have more diversity that things started to change.

Jason

That’s not true. The networks didn’t really care. There were gay characters on All In The Family in the 70s. LGBT issues and characters were common throughout the 80s and 90s. Trek didn’t have any because Berman was against it and I’d argue that being against LGBT representation is political given certain political parties attack LGBT rights as a political move.

But usually when people call any representation to be “political” they just mean they don’t like it. Everything they don’t like is lumped into “political”.

 

[fireproof78]

Newsflash: somebody else's sexuality is none of your business if they're not involving kids or animals. Let shows cast the diversity of characters they want and stop complaining.

/thread.

 

[cooleddie74]

If it didn't make a person mad they would stop talking endlessly about how it upsets them.

 

[AlanC9]

I wonder if Riverdale boards have threads like this now that Archie's mom has a girlfriend.