Chabon hasn't quit completely, he just stepped down as showrunner to focus on other projects he's developing. He'll still be involved with PIC as a producer and will have input in story developments.
Spoilers On Seven and sexuality
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That's good to know; I hope he still will be writing, too.
I cringe at the word "queer". It will always have negative connotations. Even if it didn't I just don't like it as a term to describe a group of people. There are enough homosexuals in the world that it shouldn't be considered "queer" anymore to like the same gender or both. I pretty much hate this whole LGBTQXYZ Borg Collective that's taken over in recent years. No one speaks for me, thank you very much. Do not presume I share your views just because we both like dating the same gender. Often that's where our similarities end.
I don't really have any feelings one way or the other about Seven's sexuality. It's not like she had a great deal of time to discover her preferences the last time we saw her. It's been 20 years. I'm sure a lot has changed for her now that she's not on Voyager anymore. Liking girls is more then likely the least of it given what we saw in the flashback.
I don't really have any feelings one way or the other about Seven's sexuality. It's not like she had a great deal of time to discover her preferences the last time we saw her. It's been 20 years. I'm sure a lot has changed for her now that she's not on Voyager anymore. Liking girls is more then likely the least of it given what we saw in the flashback.
For what it's worth, the term "queer" as it is often used today is not simply a synonym for gay; rather, it's an umbrella term that encompasses a variety of gender and sexual identities that are not exclusively heterosexual or cisgender (e.g. gay, bi/pan, trans, non-binary, etc). There is an elasticity to it that allows for accommodating ambiguities and nuances in the discussion of gender/sexuality, which is why a lot of people favor the term.
That being said, it's definitely still a charged term for many people given its history, despite it having spilled out of academic and activist circles and into the mainstream vernacular over the years, so I understand your distaste for attempts to reclaim or normalize it.
No, bigots can go fuck themselves. Tolerance doesn't mean tolerating intolerance.
I respect that. I just don't agree.
Neither did Hindenburg.
I will discuss ideas all day long. I will also treat people with respect.
Everyone deserves human rights and basic decency, but not everyone deserves respect. Bigots most definitely do not.
Agree to disagree.
Treating attitudes with disrecpt is one thing. Aruging against bigoted attitudes is one thing. Telling people to "go fuck themselves" is the height of disrespect and basically means no reason to take any other argumentation seriously.
People with bigoted points of view expect to be attacked. Attacking them fulfills that expectation, so they keep getting their needs met in an unhealthy way.
Sorry, it's all psychological. Occupational hazard.
I didn't think Seven and Jay were lovers. If they had been, Jay would have more openly taunted Seven about it.
So at no point into the "Jews need exterminating" speech does your respectful chat with the Nazi get disrespectful?
Some views are not due credence.
Try and dissuade folk from them, yes. But if they've clung to them all day long and others are in danger, perhaps think about getting angry about it rather than thinking tea and biccies are going to solve everything?
My getting disrespectful will not change their mind. As long as they are engaged in conversation with me and not engaged in violent behavior then I will treat them with respect.
If others are in danger that's a different topic. But, that's not what I was discussing. No, I don't think my getting angry about it will change it. My being relationship with them might change it. If not, and someone is in danger, I will act.
But, in discussion there is respect. That is my point.
Interesting. I thought it was pretty obvious that they'd had a former romantic relationship. Or at least one which had been pretty darned intimate/close.
Jay calling Seven Annika hit a nerve. Seven reveals that she confided to Jay about Icheb, then that trust was betrayed. The level of betrayal is intense but there are other layers, too.
Seven is confident that Jay will want her more than
Maddox. She even wryly calls herself 'The one that got away'.
I thought the subtext, the unspoken tension, was very clear even if they didn't put a huge neon sign on it.
But YMMV.
Jay calling Seven Annika hit a nerve. Seven reveals that she confided to Jay about Icheb, then that trust was betrayed. The level of betrayal is intense but there are other layers, too.
Seven is confident that Jay will want her more than
Maddox. She even wryly calls herself 'The one that got away'.
I thought the subtext, the unspoken tension, was very clear even if they didn't put a huge neon sign on it.
But YMMV.
Jay's language sounds borderline close to implying they were lovers, but it sounds too much like a bitter past platonic relationship too.
That's one of the problems with dialog like that. No one normally uses language the way these characters do. You can't truly tell if she was saying they were lovers or just a had close working relationship or what.
That's one of the problems with dialog like that. No one normally uses language the way these characters do. You can't truly tell if she was saying they were lovers or just a had close working relationship or what.
Since she was just using Seven going by what was said, anything jiggy with B'Sassy would have been one sided and toxic. I can buy them having sex but I'd never buy they were lovers in the sense of an honest or equal relationship.
That's the fun of ambiguous scenes like that. It's fantastic fodder for creating backstory fanfics of all kinds.
I bet there already are fanfics about 7/ Beetlejuice.
Yup, AO3's got them.
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