You're a bigger fan of NuTrek in general than I am. Who knew?
So none of this really actually is about Old Trek vs. New Trek. It's about something else.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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So none of this really actually is about Old Trek vs. New Trek. It's about something else.
It is going to be a Jack show. Ed is a far better actor than Michelle Hurd and Jery Ryan. He is movie material for a leading role. If Legacy gets made, he will (somehow) become Captain pretty fast.Ahead of Raffi? (Who's Seven's XO and a full Commander with decades of experience?)
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Wouldn’t be too surprised, if Raffi gets killed in season one, it would further support Seven’s character development.
It was admirable of Terry to think, that Raffi’s character could be saved, but it was already broken beyond repair, due to years of NuTrek Kurtzman neglect.
Chabon. Chabon was the Showrunner in Season 1. If you're going to place blame, get it right. You can't even do that.
No, you just like him better.
She becomes "emotionally compromised" in your version...
... then Jack Crusher, who's woefully underqualified, and was aided by a healthy dose of nepotism, becomes Captain and The Patriarchy is restored. Straight White Male Privilege at its finest. But it's all okay... because you like him.
This is what I've been talking about all these years.
I'm looking forward to Legacy, if it happens, but the version you want and the version I want are VERY different.
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It's JERI Ryan.
I don't see him opening a $250-million blockbuster anytime soon
What's wrong with her?
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too much screaming, too much whining, too many emotional burdens.
Reminds me of my first wife (and Burnham), Raffi is a big no no for me. And let’s face it, Michelle Hurd definitely tends to overact, which makes the character even worse…
One of the advantages of having so many Star Trek series coming now is that it's become a lot quicker to see patterns. To quote Mark Twain, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes." And right now, I'm seeing a lot of rhyming.
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Have a good night.
People would scream Wesley Crusher 2.0 in that case, and they'd be crossing the legacy VGR fanbase as well. Terry Matalas has even mentioned that he suggested CBS get an option on Ed Speelers for future Star Trek projects, but they failed to do so and the actor seems to be in demand from YOU and other projects. If anything it's more likely he'd have an arc in season 1, then move on. Plus Shaw is somehow fated to return, so that would gum up the works for the org chart as well.
Michelle Hurd was greatly, greatly, underserved with the material she was given in season 1 and season 2. I think season 3 proves she is a great actress when given great material. YouTube reviews from NuTrek skeptics that didn't watch seasons 1/2 but did watch season 3 support this.
That's not Michelle's problem.
Another thing... Much like the character of Raffi, I have a friend who in the past struggled with addiction and is deep, deep into conspiracy theory. While Raffi's overall characterization annoyed the hell out of me (JL anyone?!... the hovel...), Hurd's performance of that aspect of Raffi hit close to home in a chilling way.
Hell, imagine poor Beverly if Wesley joins the Travelers and then Jack joined the Q... That's far more likely to happen than a Captain Jack series.
Had the exact same accusation when I first joined here, and when I laid out my actual position as to why I dislike Burnham the character it's because they never truly have their come to jesus moment. They're always seemingly right, have a god-complex the size of whatever the hell that thing Kirk asked why it needed a starship for and somehow is trusted again and again utterly baffles me. Disco then gets better as we focus on her less when the writers realised they needed to revive the ensemble cast element more.
Heck, they start a sizable intergalactic war that results in the Federation losing enormous amounts of territory and her and Georigou basically have to resort to threatening to blow up Kronos (ya, know, a Genocidal act basically) to stop it. Doesn't matter they basically hand the planet explosion device to the Empress almost immediately, they still did it.
You can dislike what you see as a badly written character for being badly written as opposed to "Nu-uh you dont like her cause you think girls are icky." It's a childish cudgel at the best of times.
Micheal Burnham could've been played by anybody. Bad character is bad character, bad writing (as I saw it) is bad writing. There's people who like Discovery, and they can continue to do so, just not my cup of tea end of the day.
Does she? She was a Tertiary Adjucnt to Unimatrix-01. Suggesting she was third ranked member of the (assumably) group of 9. When did she get rank of Queen of a Cube?
Bullshit. Ryan and Hurd are just as good of actors as Speleers.
Ah, there we go. Racism (Michael and Raffi have nothing in common except both are black women) and misogyny (accusing women of being over-emotional) all in one package, and you drag in your weird baggage about how much you resent your ex-wife.
Nope. She is an accomplished Off-Broadway, Broadway, and television actor whose career on stage and screen has spanned over thirty years. You don't know what you're talking about.
The series premiere is about how monumentally she fucks up, and then she spends the next three seasons to get back to the point where she was at when "The Vulcan Hello" began. There's a running subplot in S4 about how much she still has to learn as a new captain.
The idea that DIS frames Michael Burnham as always being right is absolutely false.
All starship captains do. One of them literally ascended to be with the gods.
When he treats Burnham and Raffi the same way, when he wants Seven marginalized, when he's harsher on Georgiou than he would be on Dukat, then it begins to paint a picture. When he thinks Jack should be made Captain in short order, it further supports that picture.
Then I lay out Burnham, Seven, Kelvin Kirk, and Jack Crusher's qualifications and the best he can come up with is, "But Jack Crusher has charm!" it reinforces that picture.
A misogynist is a misogynist, and I will point that out when I see it.
As far as "Nu-uh you don't like her cause you think girls are icky." No. More like, "He has the same mentality as those who used to say, "a woman's place is in the home!" We're only two generations removed from the world of Mad Men. The type of thinking they had back then didn't just disappear overnight. It just went underground and became more subtle. Sexism is still alive and well today, only camouflaged. Same goes for racism.
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That was not Burnham's decision to go blow up Qo'noS to win the war. Starfleet Command took Georgiou's suggestion for how to win the war (a war they were losing), and Burnham was against it. She came up with the alternative not to destroy Qo'noS. So using what Starfleet Command voted to do as a reason to say you don't like Burnham doesn't make sense. (And ultimately Starfleet agreed with Burnham's actions, and Georgiou relented pretty quickly). I think you drifted off to somewhere else without realizing it. You went from talking about not liking Burnham to talking about not liking Discovery.
In which case, I have this to say: They also made tough decisions in DS9 and ENT Season 3. Sisko poisoned a planet, Sisko lied to the Romulans to plunge them into war, and Archer tortured a prisoner to survive in the Delphic Expanse. Had those things happened on DSC, they'd be mock-outraged against. But because they happened on DS9 and ENT, they're praised.
And I still maintain that aside from what happened to Icheb, late-DS9 and ENT Season 3 are darker than PIC Season 1.
Good for you.
Anyway, as far as Legacy, I doubt anything would ever be said if it turned out that Jack Crusher was "always right", if they'd go that way. Kind of like Kelvin Kirk.
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Yeah. Effective writing, likeable characters, makes a big difference for the appeal of the series.
Anson Mount elevates what he is given, that's what spawned the demand for a Pike spinoff. So you'll find a lot of agreement on that front.
That could be the in-universe reason.
I'm referring to the reason Matalas and Co. put Jack in command Red and placed him alongside the command crew in the chairs. It's pretty clear he has a plan for him, especially if Q is specifically watching Jack's journey, even if the show builds towards him eventually taking command as the series endgame.
Weird how the characters you think are likable and effectively written keep happening to be played by white guys.
I have but one like to give. It deserves more.
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