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Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

For the characters in terms of being the lead: The decision-making power lands with the Captain. That's ultimately why Burnham was finally made a Captain.

In terms of characters' experience levels:

Burnham went through four years of the Academy and had seven years of experience on the Shenzhou before DSC even started, and she was a First Officer on the verge of soon getting a Captaincy of her own... until "The Vulcan Hello" and "Battle at the Binary Stars" screwed that up. It took her three seasons to get back to the standing she had at the beginning of the series and finally become a Captain.

Kelvin Kirk went to the Academy for three years, and then leap-frogged straight to Captain. The 2009 Film already had time-skips. If they added a few more, that would've solved everything. But anyway, at least Kirk put in years (plural) at the Academy, took the Kobiyashi Maru, and actually saved Earth and saved the day instead of being saved. Unlike Jack, who had to be saved.

Seven of Nine effectively served four years on Voyager, had up to 20 years of transferrable experience with the Fenris Rangers, had recommendations from Admirals Janeway and Picard, and served as First Officer on the Titan for up to a year (we'll have to ignore that wine bottle at the beginning of PIC S2 saying "2401" and pretend that Present Day for the second season was 2400). So 25 years of experience, five of them on Starfleet ships, and then she's recommended to be promoted to Captain.

Jack Crusher goes through an accelerated program at the Academy in one year, and is made Counselor.

Between these four, Burnham is standing on the most solid ground, Seven works if you allow for transferrable and equivalent experience elsewhere, Kelvin Kirk is extremely shaky, and Jack the most so. Burnham, Seven, and even Kelvin Kirk all had more experience and all were First Officers or Captains. Jack is a Counselor who took crash-courses, had mom and dad pull strings, and isn't an XO or CO.

Jack Crusher, if the series revolves around him, and he's the only one who makes things happen, would be more "Mary Sue" or "Gary Stu" than any other character in Star Trek.

Jack is well named because he's a jack of all trades!

I'm exceptionally down with the idea of Star Trek: Legacy, and I want Seven to be the captain/lead of that show, but I have to say that seeing those three in their seats at the end of Picard I had misgivings, for one simple reason.

Seven: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Raffi: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Jack: He's the very epitome of a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!

I dunno, if they went to series I think they'd need to tinker with that dynamic a little. I wonder if it's possible to make Raffi a little more by the book without diluting the character? and I wonder if it's possible to do anything with Jack without him taking over the show? I really like all three characters and maybe the addition of some new characters would help, but like I say, just not 100% sold on that particular line-up in its current form.
 
Seven: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Raffi: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Jack: He's the very epitome of a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!

I dunno, if they went to series I think they'd need to tinker with that dynamic a little. I wonder if it's possible to make Raffi a little more by the book without diluting the character? and I wonder if it's possible to do anything with Jack without him taking over the show? I really like all three characters and maybe the addition of some new characters would help, but like I say, just not 100% sold on that particular line-up in its current form.

It might suffer the same was as Firefly did, where everyone was Han Solo and it become obviously why not everyone on the ship should be Han Solo and they had to give them quirkier one-note sub things to try and differenciate them out. (Though Gina Torres and Nathan Filion were basically interchangeable).

I think a good year with all the anger burned away from Raffi and her mentoring under Worf would allow her to be a more rational number one. You can also consider that the burden of command now weighs heavily on Seven and that, after the increasingly dour and stodgy Starfleet we've seen, the Fleet's been shaken to its core rather a bit with a lot of senior officer core and even admiralty basically decimated, Starfleet and the Federation as a whole might need some problem solvers back in the Saddle.
 
Kind of, yeah. It was "moderately satisfactory" in terms of financial returns, but it didn't get good reviews
 
It might suffer the same was as Firefly did, where everyone was Han Solo and it become obviously why not everyone on the ship should be Han Solo and they had to give them quirkier one-note sub things to try and differenciate them out. (Though Gina Torres and Nathan Filion were basically interchangeable).

I think a good year with all the anger burned away from Raffi and her mentoring under Worf would allow her to be a more rational number one. You can also consider that the burden of command now weighs heavily on Seven and that, after the increasingly dour and stodgy Starfleet we've seen, the Fleet's been shaken to its core rather a bit with a lot of senior officer core and even admiralty basically decimated, Starfleet and the Federation as a whole might need some problem solvers back in the Saddle.

That's very true, what do we do about Jack the lad though?
 
As someone who comes up with annoying nicknames for no good reason, I liked the JL.
I read the prequel novel by Una McCormack long before I watched season 1. The poor author just has to handwave the nickname and is like yeah, no good explanation for that one, moving on...

Nails on a chalkboard for me. Let's give a character a super annoying trait. No way will that be super annoying to the audience!

Speaking of annoying characters, imagine if instead of DS9, the TNG spin off was about Wesley Crusher, and every episode was a Wesley Crusher episode. I think people would have the right to complain and be annoyed. And when you do have a series based on an annoying character, well, negative feedback might well result.

As for the hovel; ugh, I thought that was put to rest. It was a nice location, and had all the amenities needed for living.
Yeah it's like you're squatting in a state park. Someone high up must really be taking pity on you.

So I don't begrudge anyone that found Raffi annoying in seasons 1 and 2.

But Michelle Hurd is a good when given good material. Some of the other actors involved in season 1 were relative newbies to acting.
 
Speaking of annoying characters, imagine if instead of DS9, the TNG spin off was about Wesley Crusher, and every episode was a Wesley Crusher episode. I think people would have the right to complain and be annoyed. And when you do have a series based on an annoying character, well, negative feedback might well result.
I like Wesley.
Yeah it's like you're squatting in a state park. Someone high up must really be taking pity on you.
Summer home.
 
I read the prequel novel by Una McCormack long before I watched season 1. The poor author just has to handwave the nickname and is like yeah, no good explanation for that one, moving on...

... "Explanation?" You need an "explanation" for a nickname now? She gave him a nickname. She used his initials. It's pretty self-explanatory.

Nails on a chalkboard for me. Let's give a character a super annoying trait. No way will that be super annoying to the audience!

If giving someone a minor nickname is "nails on a chalkboard" for you, I really don't even know what to say. People give playful nicknames sometimes. It's not a big deal.
 
Jack is well named because he's a jack of all trades!

I'm exceptionally down with the idea of Star Trek: Legacy, and I want Seven to be the captain/lead of that show, but I have to say that seeing those three in their seats at the end of Picard I had misgivings, for one simple reason.

Seven: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Raffi: She's a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!
Jack: He's the very epitome of a maverick renegade who cuts corners to get the job done!

I dunno, if they went to series I think they'd need to tinker with that dynamic a little. I wonder if it's possible to make Raffi a little more by the book without diluting the character? and I wonder if it's possible to do anything with Jack without him taking over the show? I really like all three characters and maybe the addition of some new characters would help, but like I say, just not 100% sold on that particular line-up in its current form.

I think of the three, Seven's most likely to land the role of Captain Killjoy, if only because she's the one Starfleet can yank the ship out from under.
 
Peeking in for the first time in hours. Anyway, I knew this was all going to go down eventually, I know this board, but I'm glad it didn't happen for real until AFTER the season ended.
 
I read the prequel novel by Una McCormack long before I watched season 1. The poor author just has to handwave the nickname and is like yeah, no good explanation for that one, moving on...

Nails on a chalkboard for me. Let's give a character a super annoying trait. No way will that be super annoying to the audience!
How is it annoying? It’s a nickname not snoring or picking your toenails,
Yeah it's like you're squatting in a state park. Someone high up must really be taking pity on you.
why squatting? She may have every legal right to live there.
 
The question is why Picard would let that nickname slide. Just look at the Martin Madden deleted scene from NEM. Sure it's not canon, but it does demonstrate the most recent aspect of the character.

The JL thing was a major tool in the YouTuber anti-season 1 toolkit. And they do have a point.

And to think all this started because I actually tried to defend Raffi's portrayal in season 3, and that Michelle Hurd shouldn't be blamed for faults in her character early on...
 
The question is why Picard would let that nickname slide.
It depends on greatly on the relationship. Some people get a bond quickly and that forms and includes different permissions. That's why I never had an issue with it. I have had such varied experiences with people, both brief and intense, as well as long term, and each is a bit unique in what they have in terms of their own quirks.
 
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