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Legacy will trade heavily on those, as the characters will not be the same.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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Legacy will trade heavily on those, as the characters will not be the same.
So PICARD season 1 would have had a much better fan reception if they hired a Star Trek veteran and/or legacy fan as the production designer and not the Star Wars guy who initially pronounces Data the Dr. Pulaski way on the Blu-ray special features?
Too vague to make any sense here.
One would hope that anyone hired to a property would do their due diligence to a certain degree. Star Wars guy is not an automatic disqualifier and never should be.
Especially since back during the Berman era (which I'm told is now True Star Trek) special effects were handled Industrial Light & Magic, which is owned by Lucasfilm. You know the Star Wars company. So am I to understand it's okay for Berman to hire the Star Wars Company, but it's not okay for Kurtzman to hire a Star Wars guy?
I don't get why it always has to be a contest, I like both shows.
I like the execution in Picard S3 and looking forward to more, and I really like Discovery too (although I wish they'd cool it with the blue filters in Disco s4 -- on a slight tangent, I rewatched the first season and was punched in the face at how much more contrast and vibrant colors there were in s1-- as I'd wish they'd put more lighting to Picard S3 scenes).
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I also agree that the levity was balanced well in Picard S3, I like the humor!
They're the same timeline.
I agree entirely that there is a circular argument to bringing a spinoff of Picard, but inevitably there is one central point, and that is that any new Trek series will have to gain its own audience.
TNG didn't rely on 'legacy' appearances. Aside from a brief McCoy cameo for the pilot, it did not have any 'appearances by any TOS character until Sarek showed up in Season 3. There was not another until Spock/Sarek in season 5. By that point, TNG had cemented its own success.
Is a 25th century show going to do anything new though? Isn’t its purpose to follow up on loose threads from TNG/DS9/VOY/PIC and likely close them? Possibly LD & PRO as well.
Focusing on legacy characters would make the show unique in the franchise.
Focusing on legacy characters would make the show unique in the franchise.
Probably not. The desire to is travel around the old neighborhood and check in on the old houses we use to visit as kids.
It doesn't have to be like that though. While SNW visits a few old houses, it also shows that you can do something new and fresh with legacy characters.
Of course it doesn't have to be. Nothing is slated or fated here. I am simply observing the trends while recognizing that push towards more safe and familiar.
It's possible. I simply don't expect it.
Well, it seems SNW made it into the 'Streaming Top 10' at #7:
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/13/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-warps-into-streaming-top-10-chart/
(Picard S3 made what? 9th? - Again not saying they won't or shouldn't do a TNG 'Legacy' series; but it doesn't seem worth scrapping what they have going now to rush it into production.)
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/13/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-warps-into-streaming-top-10-chart/
(Picard S3 made what? 9th? - Again not saying they won't or shouldn't do a TNG 'Legacy' series; but it doesn't seem worth scrapping what they have going now to rush it into production.)
Is it wrong I kinda want to "spike the ball" just a little bit on the Terry Matalas worshippers? Just a little bit....
Nothing's going to happen with the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strike going on now.
Right now, it's the ONLY live-action Trek left.
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That's the idea in theory, not reality.
They haven't been able to completely replace the pre-existing Star Trek audience. And they'll have a hard time being able to as long as Star Trek's not on a top-tier streaming service. They'll also have to recapture the momentum that was there with the 2009 Film because it's gone now. And given the way so many tentpole comic book movies seem to be flopping lately, they can't go back to the way things were done during the Kelvin Films either. Those films were effectively, "Star Trek if it was done in the style of a comic book movie."
The two biggest mistakes done with this generation of Star Trek were:
1. Taking too long to release the Kelvin Films. If you want to retain a young audience, you have to come out with them fast.
2. Putting new Star Trek on TV behind a paywall that wasn't Netflix or as large as Netflix. They had all the pre-existing Star Trek series already there. All they had to do was add new Star Trek series. Instant built-in audience already subscribed.
But nether of those things happened, so now we're where we are, and they have to deal with the reality of that. Which means retaining as many fans as possible to keep the numbers up. No, it's not what a lot of people on here want, but that's the hand Paramount+ is stuck with. The time to have changed things so this wouldn't have happened has already past.
So I'll make the best of it, and look forward to the things I actually enjoy (DSC and PIC) before they eventually chase after a new audience again, like someone trying to chase after unicorns.
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The problem with Netflix is that they have a nasty habit of cancelling shows after two seasons.
Agreed. Every three years would forgivable, because of the work needed for CGI; had they done that, we’d be looking at our sixth Kelvin film being released next year. Every four years though, no. They could have had least filled the time with a Kelvin Matt Decker film or other stand-alone adventures between the Kelvin trilogy. Which could have then created a Kelvin Cinematic Universe that they could have made more bank on.
That’s not really the problem. The problem was exclusivity. They could have still had it on P+, but also put it on Netflix once the latest season of the show was done. Those that wanted to watch the latest season right away would sub to P+, while those that wanted to wait would go to Netflix and binge it. And if the season is getting rave reviews while it airs on P+, then it encourages more subs to P+ out of curiosity. They should have also made a habit of airing the live action shows on CBS over the summer, for those that either aren’t, or don’t want, to subscribed to P+, even if it got low ratings. Since its still promoting awareness of the shows.
Their whole strategy has been just straight up terrible.
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