Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[UssGlenn]

The problem with Netflix is that they have a nasty habit of cancelling shows after two seasons.

That's only a problem for true Netflix originals. They don't make that decision on shows like Trek, which they buy from other production companies, they can just decline to buy the next season. If they are directly paying for the production, like they did with early Discovery for the international rights, they can pull out, but Paramount can decide to pay for it themselves and distribute elsewhere.

They should have also made a habit of airing the live action shows on CBS over the summer, for those that either aren’t, or don’t want, to subscribed to P+, even if it got low ratings. Since its still promoting awareness of the shows.

When did they air Discovery Season 1 on CBS? I remember it crashed and burned.

 

[Commander Troi]

They should have also made a habit of airing the live action shows on CBS over the summer, for those that either aren’t, or don’t want, to subscribed to P+, even if it got low ratings. Since its still promoting awareness of the shows.

When did they air Discovery Season 1 on CBS? I remember it crashed and burned.

Having the chance to see DSC on CBS got me hooked on it enough to subscribe to P+.

 

[The Wormhole]

When did they air Discovery Season 1 on CBS?

Fall 2020

 

[Jonesy]

That's the idea in theory, not reality.

They haven't been able to completely replace the pre-existing Star Trek audience. And they'll have a hard time being able to as long as Star Trek's not on a top-tier streaming service. They'll also have to recapture the momentum that was there with the 2009 Film because it's gone now. And given the way so many tentpole comic book movies seem to be flopping lately, they can't go back to the way things were done during the Kelvin Films either. Those films were effectively, "Star Trek if it was done in the style of a comic book movie."

The two biggest mistakes done with this generation of Star Trek were:
1. Taking too long to release the Kelvin Films. If you want to retain a young audience, you have to come out with them fast.
2. Putting new Star Trek on TV behind a paywall that wasn't Netflix or as large as Netflix. They had all the pre-existing Star Trek series already there. All they had to do was add new Star Trek series. Instant built-in audience already subscribed.

But nether of those things happened, so now we're where we are, and they have to deal with the reality of that. Which means retaining as many fans as possible to keep the numbers up. No, it's not what a lot of people on here want, but that's the hand Paramount+ is stuck with. The time to have changed things so this wouldn't have happened has already past.

So I'll make the best of it, and look forward to the things I actually enjoy (DSC and PIC) before they eventually chase after a new audience again, like someone trying to chase after unicorns.

I agree. But my point was not really about the business side, but the creative side. Writing, directing, and solid acting. Is that a fantasy? Perhaps.

 

[TedShatner10]

Their whole strategy has been just straight up terrible.

Ripping ST: Disc out of Netfllix altogether at practically the last second (fucking over the audience, press, cast, and crew) was moronic retardation of the highest levels from corporate management over at Nat. Amusements-Paramount (and Paramount+ has been motivated almost entirely by greed, ignorance, and envy over Netflix's business model).

All the Kelvin movies were not terrible on principle but that film series unnecessarily ran out of steam then rotted on the vine when they could not be sustained on their bloated budgets/marketing, unwisely aiming at the MCU (when they could've been made at around 30 to 90 million dollars, be more profitable on a relative shoestring without feeling too cheap like the John Wick movies, and likely be still be making them to this day).

 

[donners22]

They should have also made a habit of airing the live action shows on CBS over the summer, for those that either aren’t, or don’t want, to subscribed to P+, even if it got low ratings. Since its still promoting awareness of the shows.

They had that opportunity in Australia, given CBS owns one of the main channels. They buried S1 of Disco on a subchannel at weird times of day, went back to repeats of TNG, and are now repeating S1 of Disco again. Go figure.

Well, it seems SNW made it into the 'Streaming Top 10' at #7:
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/13/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-warps-into-streaming-top-10-chart/
(Picard S3 made what? 9th? - Again not saying they won't or shouldn't do a TNG 'Legacy' series; but it doesn't seem worth scrapping what they have going now to rush it into production.)

Yes, albeit the finale at least had more minutes watched. Picard also dropped out of the list altogether for much of the season.

The same will likely happen to SNW as it's not even in the US Paramount+ top ten and hasn't been for a while. It's even below Picard over the last week. Hopefully it'll pick up at the tail end, but that's a strangely steep drop. S1 ranked in the top few for almost the entire season.

 

[Danja]

The same will likely happen to SNW as it's not even in the US Paramount+ top ten and hasn't been for a while. It's even below Picard over the last week. Hopefully it'll pick up at the tail end, but that's a strangely steep drop. S1 ranked in the top few for almost the entire season.

Star Trek: Picard beat SNW ... AGAIN!

 

[Noname Given]

...The same will likely happen to SNW as it's not even in the US Paramount+ top ten and hasn't been for a while. It's even below Picard over the last week. Hopefully it'll pick up at the tail end, but that's a strangely steep drop. S1 ranked in the top few for almost the entire season.

ORLY?

Trekmovie article dated Thursday July 20th 2023:

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Hits Streaming Top 10 Again; Pushes Paramount+ To New Milestone
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/20/st...p-10-again-pushes-paramount-to-new-milestone/

 

[donners22]

ORLY?

Trekmovie article dated Thursday July 20th 2023:

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Hits Streaming Top 10 Again; Pushes Paramount+ To New Milestone
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/20/st...p-10-again-pushes-paramount-to-new-milestone/

Yes, really.

It was #1 in Paramount+'s US rankings from 16-27 June. That period covers last week's and this week's Nielsen ratings (which go up to 25 June).

Since 27 June, it hasn't been in Paramount+'s US top 10 rankings.

Unless Paramount+'s rankings are completely wrong (and they match up to the Nielsen ratings so far), SNW will drop out after this.

 

[drt]

Huh?

If you go to the menu on that website (three bars on the top right) and click on “Top 10” scroll down to the list and click “Full Details” it shows for Paramount+ shows on July 20 SNW is ranked 10th, Discovery is 35th and Picard 45th. For the last week SNW was 10th, Discovery 31st and Picard 48th.

29th Week: https://flixpatrol.com/top10/paramount-plus/world/2023-029/full/#paramount-plus-2

 

[donners22]

Huh?

If you go to the menu on that website (three bars on the top right) and click on “Top 10” scroll down to the list and click “Full Details” it shows for Paramount+ shows on July 20 SNW is ranked 10th, Discovery is 35th and Picard 45th. For the last week SNW was 10th, Discovery 31st and Picard 48th.

July 19: https://flixpatrol.com/top10/paramount-plus/world/2023-07-19/full/#paramount-plus-2

That's worldwide, not US.

US for the same day is here - TOP 10 on Paramount+ in the United States on July 19, 2023 • FlixPatrol

US for this month is here - TOP 10 on Paramount+ in the United States in July, 2023 • FlixPatrol

Picard is at #10 for both, SNW doesn't make it at all.

SNW is in the top 10 in Austria, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Switzerland and the UK at the moment, and tends to make it in Australia and France for the first few days when a new episode hits, but that's about it. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds • FlixPatrol

 

[Lord Garth]

Shit. The ratings thing is going to go on and on, isn't it?

SNW will go on for a few more seasons and Legacy will be greenlit. Fin. Well, actually not fin. Someone's going to use ratings to come up with a way to bash Disco during Season 5. Even if it's in the Top 10, they'll come up with a way to spin it to make it sound bad. "Look it here! It's #7! Why isn't it #1?" It would be like if a kid got a 94% on a test and, instead being proud their kid got an A, the parents would turn around and ask, "What happened to the other six points?"

The ratings game is nonsense. Always has been.

 

[donners22]

It's not a personal attack or "bashing" a show to observe a fact, and wonder if it might have an impact. I like SNW, and hope it succeeds (as I've said elsewhere, I hope it does far better than Picard S3) but it seems to have had a sharp audience drop-off in its primary market.

In the current climate, between the strikes and P+'s obvious cutbacks, it's a relevant discussion point.

 

[Lord Garth]

It's not a personal attack or "bashing" a show to observe a fact, and wonder if it might have an impact. I like SNW, and hope it succeeds (as I've said elsewhere, I hope it does far better than Picard S3) but it seems to have had a sharp audience drop-off in its primary market.

In the current climate, between the strikes and P+'s obvious cutbacks, it's a relevant discussion point.

It is a relevant discussion point, though I'm not naive enough to think there won't be people who will try to weaponize it. These are things that some people absolutely salivate over. Not to name names, but we all know who I'm talking about.

 

[Campe]

He who shall not be named? He likes Belgian graphs, right?

 

[Mudd]

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Hits Streaming Top 10 Again; Pushes Paramount+ To New Milestone

For the second week in a row, Strange New Worlds has ranked on Hollywood’s most important streaming chart, and the show has even helped Paramount+ hit a new market share milestone.

2 for 2 on top 10
Today Nielsen revealed their top 10 streaming charts for the week of June 19-25, which included the release of the second episode of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds season 2, “Ad Astra Per Aspera.” And once again the series is on the chart for original streaming programs, this week at number 8. That is a drop in rank from last week’s #7 debut on the same chart, however this week SNW clocked more streaming minutes (393 million compared to 338 million last week).

And again the Star Trek show is the only streaming original on the chart from Paramount+. So far only Picard, Strange New Worlds, and the Yellowstone prequel 1923 have appeared on the Nielsen original top 10 chart since they started tracking the streaming service earlier in the year.

In fact, Strange New Worlds is being cited as the driver to finally get Paramount+ listed on a different chart by Nielsen, The Gauge, which tracks television market share for broadcast, cable, and streaming. To get onto The Guage an outlet needs to reach 1% market share across all television viewing. According to Nielsen:

Paramount+ captured 1.0% of overall TV viewing in June and is the 11th streaming service to be independently reported in The Gauge. Viewing to Paramount+ was boosted by its original series Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, which generated nearly 1 billion viewing minutes.

Yeah, They're not worried.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Did not drop off:

https://trekmovie.com/2023/08/04/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-returns-to-top-10-streaming-chart/

 

[Danja]

It's not a personal attack or "bashing" a show to observe a fact, and wonder if it might have an impact. I like SNW, and hope it succeeds (as I've said elsewhere, I hope it does far better than Picard S3) but it seems to have had a sharp audience drop-off in its primary market.

In the current climate, between the strikes and P+'s obvious cutbacks, it's a relevant discussion point.

It's gone from "Under the Cloak of War" (dark and intense) to "Subspace Rhapsody" (a musical episode).

Did not drop off:

https://trekmovie.com/2023/08/04/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-returns-to-top-10-streaming-chart/

They're from July ("Among the Lotus Eaters").

"Those Old Scientists" was more believable than "Subspace Rhapsody."

 

[donners22]

It did drop out of the top ten the previous week (for 2.03), but good to see it back this week. Picard S3 dropped out for much of its season as well. Hopefully P+ just has a bad system for its trending rankings.

 

[Danja]

It did drop out of the top ten the previous week (for 2.03), but good to see it back this week. Picard S3 dropped out for much of its season as well. Hopefully P+ just has a bad system for its trending rankings.

P+ didn't begin submitting its ratings until just before the end of Picard's run.