Observations, rewatching Season 1 for first time in a while

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  1. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

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    none of this happened :rolleyes:
    if you're dreading it don't watch it
     
  2. Four Lights

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    I'm afraid to tell you this, but it did. For anyone truly invested in the subtle emotional strands that Jeri Taylor and Kate Mulgrew had previously been crafting for Janeway, the laughable explanation of her going into her room for a bit of a think, and then coming out as a completely different person was, to put it mildly, hard to swallow.
     
  3. Sophie74656

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    An example?
     
  4. The Were-Behr

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    Could you explain what you mean by this? Berman worked hard to keep the creative side separate from what was happening on set, such that contact between writing staff and actors was exceedingly rare, imposdible on a daily basis.
     
  5. Four Lights

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    Janeway was nice. Janeway was normal. Jeri Taylor was on record in many interviews saying she brought her female sensibility to the character, which made her much more plausible and real. you can see that straight away in the caring and loving dynamic with Seven. Admittedly I am going from 20 y/o memories here, but Braga took over S5, after which Janeway mostly spent her time storming around shouting at people, whilst pulling a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp.
     
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    I'll try to find some Jeri Taylor interviews later. She really invested in the character. Berman might have been standoffish with the cast, but she certainly never was.
     
  7. Sophie74656

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    Do you have a specific example of your claim?
     
  8. The Were-Behr

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    I don't doubt that Taylor thought deeply about how to characterize Janeway. However, what you wrote gave me the impression that she and Mulgrew were collaborating on some level. I would find that to be extraordinary, given what is known about the work environment on the franchise.
     
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    What other explanation could there be for the massive change in tone that took place with Janeway and the show in season 5, if not the main executive producer (who had said she'd put herself into the character) being replaced with a young guy who didn't seem capable of much else than fixating on time travel and Borg?
    Honestly, season 5 onwards to me was like watching characters you knew previously replaced by cardboard cut outs.
     
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  10. JaffreyPanthosa

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    In Non Sequitur, when Kim is running from security he never takes off his communicator. They should just be able to locate him immediately and beam him away. Little things like this, the directors just kinda miss sometimes.
     
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    Now am remembering how much I hate Twisted.

    It might be the worst "Neelix is a jealous ass to Kes" episode. And it's like "Weird stuff is happening, none of it makes any sense. The crew fails to do anything and everything works out because it was just aliens getting to know us".

    The ship is twisted into different shapes, but only connections between rooms, and they all go into entryways to different rooms? All rooms remain totally contiguous and normal? No visible seams when wandering through the twisted hallways?

    Even for a weird anomaly episode this is a stretch and it's one weird anomaly episode where the crew just plain fails.
     
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    I absolutally agree about Seska. She was such a powerful character and she could have helped to develop the tension between Marquis and starfleet.
     
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    Do you know what would have been nice to see? An officer proud of his Cardassian origins (or being half Human and half Cardassian) - and not someone like Seska who hid her origins - among Janeway's crew and the attitude of the Maquis towards her/him during the journey, especially if she/he was a senior officer! :devil:
     
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    I’m wondering if the original concept was that the Distortion Ring turned the ship into one big Holodeck.

    The actual holodeck was home base, where the crew were “safe” from the effects of twisting.

    None of the events actually happened.

    Which is how the ship comes out unscathed.
     
  15. JaffreyPanthosa

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    I'm watching Resistance, my first time seeing it after watching through Buffy, and now that actor creeps the hell out of me. His neurotic mannerisms with this character even remind me of the Glory worshipper.
     
  16. Lynx

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    I have to agree here. Exactly my impresion of season 1 too.

    Voyager was brilliant in the first three seasons. Then Berman and Braga messed up everything.
     
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  17. JaffreyPanthosa

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    I can't help but think the Kazon would have been a more successful a villain if there was more variety between them.

    If every Kazon faction had its own distinct style to it instead of all being generically villainous, they might have even been interesting, instead of just boring and cliche.
     
  18. tomalak301

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    I've actually just started a rewatch of Voyager and I'm watching Phage. They really should have made the Vidiians the big bad in the first two seasons rather then the Kazon, even though I really liked the Basics two parter.
     
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    I usually feel the odd one out for liking the early seasons of Voyager more. That's not to say I love them, but I just found them more interesting than a lot of later season stuff.
     
  20. chris of nine

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    Seska made watching the Kazon tolerable. I would have liked them to be more like Klingons, and less like the jerks that they are. Sure, we’re supposed to hate on the villains.

    But Seska was a loveable villain.