Observations on Janice Lester's isolation room

[ZapBrannigan]

Aaaaah!!! It's Zora, be careful!

Yeah, I took note of her too, the other day (link goes straight to my post) :

Star Trek TOS Re-Watch

The best thing I can say about it was that it expanded the lore of the show, with both Kahless and Surak being referred to later in other Trek (was Green? I can't remember). https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phillip_Green

www.trekbbs.com

She really was cute as hell.

 

[Phaser Two]

Yeah, I took note of her too, the other day (link goes straight to my post) :

Star Trek TOS Re-Watch

The best thing I can say about it was that it expanded the lore of the show, with both Kahless and Surak being referred to later in other Trek (was Green? I can't remember). https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phillip_Green

www.trekbbs.com

She really was cute as hell.

I am no "The Cage" expert and never realized that was the same actress. Wow; they really caked the makeup on her for her appearance as Zora. Zora did look a bit rough around the edges, as though she maybe did a little experimentation on her own body chemistry on Tiburon, as well as that of her poor victims. I wonder if Nimoy remembered her from "The Cage" given that Spock and Zora have that oddly blocked extended tussle during the initial ambush. And Zap, if no one so commented on the other thread, the head bad guy in ENT's "Demons"—the first part of what some of us prefer to see as the series' final two episodes, written by Manny Coto—watches an archived video of Col. Green making a speech, apparently for, um, inspiration. There's a still shot of him in a TNG episode too.

Additionally, to circle back to Stage 9/31, I rewatched "The Enemy Within" last night for the first time in years (my loss on the wait—it was just completely great) and Evil Kirk goes out the side door of "his" cabin to meet (and attack) Wilson and steal his phaser—in the Agony Booth Corridor. It was fully dressed as a hallway—with no creature comforts or Terran Empire trap-oiling equipment in sight, and Wilson presumably wasn't loitering in the far reaches of Kirk's quarters in any event. Also, the dialogue and staging of Kirk and Spock's hunt for the dupe on "the lower level of the Engineering deck" absolutely sealed the two-engine-rooms theory for me, even more conclusively than I'd hoped.

 

[Christopher]

Also, the dialogue and staging of Kirk and Spock's hunt for the dupe on "the lower level of the Engineering deck" absolutely sealed the two-engine-rooms theory for me, even more conclusively than I'd hoped.

But Scotty wouldn't have phrased it that way if there were two separate engine rooms. That phrasing means that the Engineering deck itself has more than one level. If there were one engine room in the saucer and one in the secondary hull, then the latter would be the Engineering deck of the lower levels, the opposite of what was said.

Also, earlier in the episode, Kirk phrased it as, "The lower levels. The Engineering deck." Which indicates that the Engineering deck is synonymous with the ship's lower levels, plural. Which is consistent with the usual idea that the secondary or engineering hull contains a multilevel engineering complex, of which the two-level engineering set we see is only the main part. Presumably the reason they called it the Engineering deck instead of the Engineering hull is that it was an early script and the terminology was still in flux.

 

[Just a Bill]

Evil Kirk goes out the side door of "his" cabin to meet (and attack) Wilson and steal his phaser—in the Agony Booth Corridor. It was fully dressed as a hallway

Boy, I really want this to be true, because it would be additional evidence for a theory I'm trying to validate. And the TrekCore caps do seem to give this impression. However, watching the scene on p-plus tells me a different story. eKirk is at his vanity and barely turns to his left to open the nearest door, in a single camera move. If it were his "side"/closet door, then he would have had to have taken more steps, and we would have clearly seen the normal bedroom door (right next to the vanity) as the camera panned across it.

I wonder if the confusion arises because in this scene, the bedroom door appears dark grey rather than the mint-ish color we usually see?

Also, the dialogue and staging of Kirk and Spock's hunt for the dupe on "the lower level of the Engineering deck" absolutely sealed the two-engine-rooms theory for me, even more conclusively than I'd hoped.

I'm going to have to agree with Christopher on this one. There still could be two separate engine rooms, but I don't think this dialog is good evidence for that. All I hear is that engineering is in the bowels of the ship. There may or may not be another engineering sitting in the rear of the saucer, and the dialog in TEW can work either way. "The engineering deck" could have been an early euphemism for the engineering hull, or it could have been a reference to the floor part of the room as opposed to the upper walkway and the (not yet seen) Emergency Manual Monitor.

I hear the following implications in Kirk's response to Spock's question, "Where would you go to elude a mass search?"

[Generally,] "The lower levels." [the secondary hull]​

[More specifically,] "The engineering deck" [less crew activity in that room, lots of places to hide]​

I do not hear "Engineering, and by that I mean the one in the secondary hull." Not at all. (Sorry.) Again, this doesn't preclude there being two, but I'm not hearing anything like conclusive deal-sealing here. We are all subject to confirmation bias (I've had it more than once on Trek issues and I'm sure I still do somewhere), and this feels like that.

 

[Christopher]

I should add that while it does make sense that there would be some kind of secondary engine room attached to the impulse engines, the main engine room depicted in the show has to be the warp engineering room in the secondary hull, because we know the dilithium crystals are there, and because there are references in the show to it being in the lower part of the ship.

Although I admit the references are inconsistent. "Court Martial" claimed engineering was on B deck, which makes no sense, but TOS generally used numbers rather than letters for the decks, so that can be discounted. (Perhaps letters were only used in the secondary hull.) But "The Day of the Dove" claimed that the lower levels were sealed off, yet the characters were still able to access the engine room. But I treat that as a plot hole rather than evidence that engineering was in the saucer, or that there were two identical engine rooms. Surely the impulse engineering section would be smaller and have different equipment. At most, they used the same set figuratively to represent a different part of the ship.

 

[Phaser Two]

Boy, I really want this to be true, because it would be additional evidence for a theory I'm trying to validate. And the TrekCore caps do seem to give this impression. However, watching the scene on p-plus tells me a different story. eKirk is at his vanity and barely turns to his left to open the nearest door, in a single camera move. If it were his "side"/closet door, then he would have had to have taken more steps, and we would have clearly seen the normal bedroom door (right next to the vanity) as the camera panned across it.

I wonder if the confusion arises because in this scene, the bedroom door appears dark grey rather than the mint-ish color we usually see?

Not sure; I paid no attention to the door color, lol. I'll have to watch it again, with pleasure!

 

[feek61]

Not sure; I paid no attention to the door color, lol. I'll have to watch it again, with pleasure!

I am pretty sure the Wilson encounter in "The Enemy Within" was just one of the two doors of the cabin set that exit into the main corridor, the third door on the side leads into the flex space where the Agony booth was in "Mirror, Mirror." The third door (the side entry) was only used a few times, one of which was "Mirror, Mirror" when Marlena changed into something a little more comfortable (and revealing).

 

[BK613]

The side door doesn't have the 'lock button' on either side, IIRC, and the bedroom door has one on the left, so that could be a tell as Evil Kirk steps out to thump Wilson.

 

[Phaser Two]

Thanks, gents. I thought it might be early for the Agony Booth corridor—but something about the blocking of the scene suggested to me that Evil Kirk turned to the side (to the east, if we posit that his main cabin door faces north-south) and then confronted poor Wilson. But I had such a blast watching an early S1 episode I had not seen in years (I've actually watched four eps from S1 in the last two weeks) that I will watch it again and see if you folks are (most likely) right.

(Another interesting thing—which may have thrown me off—is that the camerawork in the scenes where Evil Kirk is by himself is somewhat herky-jerky, a nice touch by Leo Penn that seems to compliment Shatner's very abrupt, surprising, and almost spastic body movements.)

 

[Henoch]

But "The Day of the Dove" claimed that the lower levels were sealed off, yet the characters were still able to access the engine room. But I treat that as a plot hole rather than evidence that engineering was in the saucer

Agreed. When the pinwheel entity flees the ship, it leaves from the middle height of the secondary hull (original visual effects).

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[Christopher]

Agreed. When the pinwheel entity flees the ship, it leaves from the middle height of the secondary hull.

Oh, yes, I knew that, but it slipped my mind.

I remember trying to rationalize it in my head, like, maybe they meant the entity sealed the lower levels of the saucer and the lower levels of the engineering hull separately.

 

[Henoch]

My theory is that the entity mind controlled the bulk of the crew to go to decks 8 and below in the saucer < I changed my mind that the lower decks are below the Engineering Room in the secondary hull.> then seal them off from the rest of the ship. Dialog said they had access to deck 7. Also in this ep., Kirk orders Scott to get down to engineering and auxiliary control, but in dialog from I, Mudd, Kirk says auxiliary control on deck 8, so, if the crew is trapped on Deck 9 and below in the saucer, then it may be getting very crowded there hence my change of location of "lower decks", above. The entity left the rest of the ship as the playground for the two teams to fight it out.

 

[BK613]

Ah, good ol' Day of the Dove, where we learned that the engine room in question has two ladders.
How does that figure into things?

 

[Mytran]

The question about where exactly the majority of the crew are trapped thing DOTD might be explained by looking at where we got that snippet of information from in the first place:

UHURA: Captain, reports coming in from the lower decks. Emergency bulkheads have closed. Almost four hundred crewmen are trapped down there, sir.​

Uhura is on the Bridge, so from her perspective ALL the decks are the "lower decks". The most likely location for the majority of the crew to be trapped is on the outer areas of the saucer section (where conventional lore suggests that most of the accomodation is anyway).
Emergency bulkheads can be horizontal as well as vertical, after all.

 

[BK613]

hmm
Scotty, from Engineering:

Three hundred and ninety two trapped below decks.​

Scotty, from the Armory:

There's no use trying to free those men down below.​