Star Trek TOS Re-Watch

[mb22]

The best thing I can say about it was that it expanded the lore of the show, with both Kahless and Surak being referred to later in other Trek (was Green? I can't remember).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phillip_Green

 

[MarcKyle1964]

The ending not being a full resolution and being more like real life makes this another example of many TOS episodes having believable endings.

Spock is half-human, testosterone is gonna flow when around those Bill Theis costumes no matter what.

 

[Tallguy]

I love The Savage Curtain. I flip between this and All Our Yesterdays as the "actual" ending of TOS.

My daughter and her best friend just watched this. (I paired it with SNW's Among the Lotus Eaters for no particular reason. They had already watched The Menagerie.) Her friend called it "a fever dream".

I was about to write a bunch of stuff and I thought "Why does this all sound familiar?"

Savage Curtain: I adore this episode. I think this is my favorite third season episode. The only thing that comes close is Day of the Dove. As you pointed out, the character work in this episode is razor sharp. So that gives it the clear advantage.

And I don't see the ending as pessimistic at all. The Excalbians don't see the difference between the two groups. If we decide that we don't either than I can see the pessimism. But we're meant to see a difference and I think that I do.

Lincoln is probably a perfect character for this argument. He has a line that is so good that it has been attributed to the actual Lincoln. "There is no honorable way to kill. No gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war except its ending." If you're going to fight a war, fight to end the war!

"But out of our suffering some of us found the discipline to act. We sent emissaries to our opponents to propose peace. The first were killed, but others followed. Ultimately we achieved peace, which has lasted since then." One might wonder, in Surak's case, how does one LEAD a suicidally pacifistic movement? Or was he simply the leader of the first group that lived?

Still, a great character. And he holds up far better than Kahless the Unforgettable. (That's a GREAT name, though.)

"Since they were created out of our own thoughts, how could they be anything but what we expected them to be?" What a GREAT line.

I haven't changed my mind on any of it.

 

[Henoch]

The rock creature fixes Enterprise and lets Kirk and Spock go back to her. Spock thinks the rock creatures transformed other beings into the historical figures, using Kirk and Spock's minds to give Lincoln and Surak personalities (where do Green's and Kahless' come from then?).

The villains come from both Kirk and Spock, too. One hero and two villains, each. My thoughts:

• Kirk's Hero: Lincoln
• Kirk's Villains: Col. Green; Genghis Khan (note both are from Earth)
• Spock's Hero: Surak
• Spock's Villains: Kahless; Zora (note both are Aliens races, and Zora is evil because of unethical science experiments - that must be a Spock thing).

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I'm still not over the fact that Zora started life as that smokin' hot brunette in "The Cage"!

https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/screencaps/season1/100-the-cage/the-cage-br-126.jpg

https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/screencaps/season3/322-savage-curtain/savage-curtain-br-369.jpg

She must have left Starfleet, got into a bad relationship (was it Bobby Brown?), then come the drugs, she got "the face of meth," went absolutely nuts, took some time out to complete her degree in bio-chemistry, and then moved to Tiburon for career in Big Pharma. That would explain everything.