It's easy to wear more clothing in modern day society.
It gets harder & harder to wear less & less clothing in public society with how puritanical & judgemental so many members of society are becoming.
Nudity taboos in Trek
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It gets harder & harder to wear less & less clothing in public society with how puritanical & judgemental so many members of society are becoming.
I'm indifferent to clothing.
Becoming? That's a load of crap. It's been that way now for a while and has become more relaxed than ever before.
What has changed is an increase in anxiety and depression creating more negative perceptions of self.
The use of clothing to provide protection from the elements is important, of course. But a late 1970s view of future Earth would have had more more automation, controlled environments, an artificial global weather system, etc. Walking around in a futuristic city on a typical day, there simply wouldn't be any environmental hazards to the human body.
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KIRK: Well. But they've rejected all that and all that this technology provides. And they seek the primitive.
SPOCK: There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. It is almost a biological rebellion. A profound revulsion against the planned communities, the programming, the sterilised, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden where spring comes.
KIRK: All do. The cave is deep in our memory.
Maybe the media you're encountering is seeing a different view on the human body than the one's I'm seeing.
That's Social Media's fault where everybody is showing off only the best sides, never the realistic sides.
There is very little media I am consuming. There is a lot of people's opinions that I am encountering through interaction.
I don't care whose fault it is. That's not a solution to pass blame.
What I am dealing with is the real world consequences of people struggling with depression and anxiety. You want to talk about liberation? Talk about working with a teen and improving their sense of self. Nudity is a expression, not a damn liberating ideology!
I mean, wearing clothing isn't just about being puritanical or judgmental. Clothing also serves a very practical purpose such as keeping as protected from weather and our surroundings. It doesn't matter how enlightened society becomes about one wearing their birthday suits regardless of body type or whatever, it's still going to be a terrible idea to walk around nude outside in the middle of the winter.
And then there's health and safety considerations. Fun fact, even the most liberal nudists today require clothing to be worn in areas where food is prepared and eaten because to be nude around food is not healthy at all.
So like it or not, clothing is never going away.
I don't expect clothing to go away, but there should be far more times/places where people get naked, beyond just bathing at home, during sex, or changing clothes.
Exactly so. This weird liberal ideal of "nudity is freedom" is just strange to me. It's like, clothing exists for a reason and isn't just those evil puritanical ideologues who ruined the human body forever! Hyperbole, but not by much.
I can very much imagine that he only cared about having the men nude as well as a ploy to mask that he just wanted the boobies out. If he film had featured only young, attractive women prancing about naked and everybody else clothed then tat would have been decried as sexist even for 1979, so he probably thought he'd have naked men too to have plausible denial. Of course in the end, thankfully, nobody was naked...though the Ilia probe came close enough with that micro robe she wore for most of the film.
'Liberated' people that feel the need to continuously pressure others to become 'liberated' too, or to talk down to them because those others don't have the same 'liberal' attitudes as they are themselves aren't free themselves, as I see it. I would expect a truly free human to feel at ease in all situations and in each company (barring truly evil people, of course).
As someone who basically can't sleep unless I'm naked, it's surprising it took this thread for me to realize -- there are no such people in the Trekverse, are there? We have seen some WEIRD sleepwear over the years. People generally seem to sleep in heavier stuff than they wear during the day.
I guess that's a place nudity is totally unacceptable in the Trekverse... in bed alone in your own quarters.
Though Picard did have that skimpy pajama robe thing. And I remember Archer jumping out of bed shirtless and rushing straight to the bridge still shirtless once.
I guess that's a place nudity is totally unacceptable in the Trekverse... in bed alone in your own quarters.
Though Picard did have that skimpy pajama robe thing. And I remember Archer jumping out of bed shirtless and rushing straight to the bridge still shirtless once.
Even beyond the health and safety concerns, or meeting society's expectations acts in public, there is also the fact that wearing clothing can be enjoyable for people as well as being an area of self-expression. I generally don't get to dress up much at my job, but I do enjoy it when I can wear a suit and tie or at least a sport jacket. I also get a lot of positive comments from the public in general, and from women in particular which is just icing on the cake for me.
YES, yes, YES, yes!!! So was Ilia and guess what? There was even a sex scene and climax during the climax from TMP. Very Star Trek, and there's still many Trek fans who didn't know what Decker and Ilia was doing was just that. I'm sure there's a lot of guys out there who loves a woman and say to themselves, "I want this!" and wish they could perform their fantasy with the lady just like how Decker did. Being bold was Star Trek, nudity and taboos was part of the dossier.
I like dressing up. I like clothes shopping. I love clothes, they make me feel good. And yes, it’s nice when other people say I look nice.
I'm sure a lot of them had fallen to sleep by that point.
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We must not forget that there probably was no nudity taboo whatsoever when our distant ancestry started wearing clothes. They did so because wearing clothing is, most of the time, more practical than not wearing it. Though form what I've read there's also a theory that part of it was cultic in nature (wearing animal pelts and such)
Plus well tailored clothing like suit pants and such can feel *really* nice on the skin. I also like to wear LGBTQ+ pride themed clothing to show who and what I am.
And clothing can also create a stunning appearance, not because it hides nudity, but somebody wearing a colour that goes well with their skin tone/eye colour/hair colour can just create a beautiful and harmonious picture.
Plus well tailored clothing like suit pants and such can feel *really* nice on the skin. I also like to wear LGBTQ+ pride themed clothing to show who and what I am.
And clothing can also create a stunning appearance, not because it hides nudity, but somebody wearing a colour that goes well with their skin tone/eye colour/hair colour can just create a beautiful and harmonious picture.
There's no way the censors, even for a syndicated show, were going to show people sleeping in the nude. TNG was a wholesome family show, remember? You can't show evil naked people on a kid's show
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