Nudity taboos in Trek
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I've been getting naked in front of groups of people since I was in highschool.
First it was gym showers at the All-Boys-School, then it became the norm with the lifestyle I chose to participate in for the next 50 years.
Also, the fact that I worked in a hospital since I was 18 probably added to my uncaring nature about a naked human body.
By the time I was 20 I'd seen several thousand dicks and vaginas of all sorts.
First it was gym showers at the All-Boys-School, then it became the norm with the lifestyle I chose to participate in for the next 50 years.
Also, the fact that I worked in a hospital since I was 18 probably added to my uncaring nature about a naked human body.
By the time I was 20 I'd seen several thousand dicks and vaginas of all sorts.
The real problem with Speedos is the guys you can't tell are wearing one.
Heh .. does it really matter at that point, you can't see anything else but belly's & butts either.
Roddenberry wanted people in Star Trek to be nude because he liked to look at boobies.
Anything he said about nudity becoming a societal norm was just a smokescreen for that. The man was obsessed with tits.
Anything he said about nudity becoming a societal norm was just a smokescreen for that. The man was obsessed with tits.
I think his TMP novel (which mentioned the infamous Love Instructors and implied crew boinking in the observation deck) along with other early Trek novels (featuring gems like Uhura waking up in the night and wandering around an alien planet in nothing but "a flimsy underskirt" because horny male writer) kinda cemented the idea in my head that nobody gave a shit about being nude in Trek's world.
That’s kind of an over-generalization, at least where TMP was concerned. If he was so obsessed with boobies, then he wouldn’t have cared about men being nude as well. But his idea was that entire families would be comfortable in public, and the rest of the public would be comfortable with it as well.
Fair. The truth as ever lies somewhere between two (figurative) posts.
If only the rest of the world can be as sexually liberated as you were by 20 y/o.I've been getting naked in front of groups of people since I was in highschool.
First it was gym showers at the All-Boys-School, then it became the norm with the lifestyle I chose to participate in for the next 50 years.
Also, the fact that I worked in a hospital since I was 18 probably added to my uncaring nature about a naked human body.
By the time I was 20 I'd seen several thousand dicks and vaginas of all sorts.
Yes, if only the rest of the world conformed to one idea of was it means to be liberated. Uniformity is what gives us our individuality.
Ok, sarcasm aside, the difficulty I see when working with people is simply the fact that they feel judged. And, given the nature of society to hold up athleticism as essentially god status that should come as no suprrise to anyone with a basic understanding of human psychology. Humans are social creatures, who value those in their group (peers, family) and those aspects impact behavior.
I think normalizing that variety is a part of the human experience is an essential part of developing a more body positive view of nudity.By the time I was 20 I'd seen several thousand dicks and vaginas of all sorts.
Basically, the young people I work with are concerned with what their peers think, but only if those peers are authentic in their attitudes. If they find the person is inauthentic then they will pretty much dismiss the opinion out of hand. When it comes to body image, the larger struggle comes from having a positive view of themselves and their place in the world and their place in it. So, if they find something inauthentic, they are more likely to create their own sense of self, if encouraged to do so.
Depends on what you want to be "Uniform" about. Having all of Humanity advance to the point of not being puritanical about seeing the naked human body would be a HUGE global improvement. Regardless of body shape / physique / attractive-ness.
That's where you got to teach people that it's ok to not have a perfect Athletic / fit body. That you should be comfortable with what you have. Also, not be judgemental of others who don't fit into normal / ideal body types. Be respectful & polite of differences.
People are going to find different things attractive. That's not going to change. Also, be respectful of differences in attitudes. Using the term "liberated" is basically saying "if you like clothes you're a stuffy old person." That's rude.
Being respectful also means not being uniform in attitudes. It can be just as liberated to wear clothes as to not wear clothes.
That fits with what I've experienced as well.
Yes, and the censors were rather famously obsessed with the undersides of tits.
Mort ("Beetle Bailey") Walker found that newspaper comic censors were obsessed with navels. And he wasn't at all shy about playing with the censors' heads.
"Tits. . . . Sounds like a snack. No, not your sexist snack, I mean 'New Nabisco Tits'." -- George Carlin
It comes down to this... everyone has a body type they are attracted to. Some like athletic bodies. Some like curves. Some like really skinny bodies. Some like really large bodies. Some like tanned. Some like white. Some like dark. Others like combinations of any or all of the above.
I've found that once you really, truly realize that, it's easier to be comfortable with your own body. There's always going to be at least one aspect about your body that you will not like, and that's okay. As long as you're comfy with the majority of yourself, it's all gravy.
(And many times, that one thing you don't like about your body is the favorite thing for someone else.)
I've found that once you really, truly realize that, it's easier to be comfortable with your own body. There's always going to be at least one aspect about your body that you will not like, and that's okay. As long as you're comfy with the majority of yourself, it's all gravy.
(And many times, that one thing you don't like about your body is the favorite thing for someone else.)
I never expected that to change, that's personal preference.
Now you're sticking words in my mouth. I never stated that.
Sure if that's how you feel, you do you. But if others wants to strip down naked right in front of you, you should be ok with that as well. Not be mortified that you're seeing a naked human body.
So, liberated means what then? It's quite an interesting choice of words to assume comfort with another person's nudity defines liberation.
Interesting.
It means not having any hang ups on seeing the human body without clothes; no matter who it is, how fit they are, how "Ugly/Beautiful" they are to your perception, and not get offended that other people want to wear less & less clothing to the point of being naked. It shouldn't matter, bother, or perturb you that people want to be naked.
Basically, you're indifferent to other people's desires for less clothing.
As are you, to other people's desires for more.
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