Non Sequitur - dangerous areas on earth in the 24th century?

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I've been saying I want HBO Star Trek for years

Captain Worf is the most tedious proposal ever. I mean, Worf is a nicely fleshed out character whose main personality characteristic is that he is tedious.

I don't think it matters at all what timeline it's set in, it's not like making an entire series about Vulcans set on Vulcan was going to be interesting. I do think leaving us in the alternate is a good choice as it gets us out from under the bloated weight of 700+ episodes and several centuries of canon. Nothing will be all that different but it gives some extra movement and less outcry. Of course setting it in the 27nth century would do the same.

I dunno, there are so many models that have all been done by Trek or other franchises. Exploring. Lost far from home. Fighting a constant war. CSI: Quantum Time Cops. DS9 was the closest we got to my preference for an urban setting. I'm just wondering if people in charge aren't looking at these models and going, meh..

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

But it's ok, to invent bullshit, if bullshit is what you need to believe in.

Dude seriously? It's called speculation. Have a look around this BBS, many people do it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Either every Ferengi male in the month following the conclusion of Deep Space nine was going to be tossed in jail for ignoring the engorging of female rights, or there was going to be a violent and bloody civil war as the blokes on top tried to put the geenie back in the bottle.

Was Ishka a lone mutant, or was half the female population a thriving secret society of business women?

"Allowing" women to work, is not the same as forcing women to work too ignorant to know how, or wondering why illiterate house slaves allergic to clothing can't compete on a level playing field with men who have been trained in business since they could crawl.

Imagine if in England that equal pay legislation was pushed through parliament in 1540.

It seems nice, but could the existing generation, surprised by this change take any advantage of it?

Yes change the law on Ferenginar, that's good, but apart from a couple geniuses or mutants, it'll be at least a generation before they have a truly integrated workforce where women participate equally at every level.

 

[kirkfan]

Either every Ferengi male in the month following the conclusion of Deep Space nine was going to be tossed in jail for ignoring the engorging of female rights, or there was going to be a violent and bloody civil war as the blokes on top tried to put the geenie back in the bottle.

Was Ishka a lone mutant, or was half the female population a thriving secret society of business women?

"Allowing" women to work, is not the same as forcing women to work too ignorant to know how, or wondering why illiterate house slaves allergic to clothing can't compete on a level playing field with men who have been trained in business since they could crawl.

Imagine if in England that equal pay legislation was pushed through parliament in 1540.

It seems nice, but could the existing generation, surprised by this change take any advantage of it?

Yes change the law on Ferenginar, that's good, but apart from a couple geniuses or mutants, it'll be at least a generation before they have a truly integrated workforce where women participate equally at every level.

It's still a few steps in the right direction. Ferengi society looks like it was suffering intense institutional sclerosis and needed badly someone to come up and shake things up. That someone is Ishka.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't dispute that Ishka is an important force for good in Ferengi society, but so is Rom. By being an atypical Ferengi, he's giving his people the vitality they need.

Oh and kirkfan, please stop dismissing teacake's views as BS. You go up against her, you'll lose...

 

[kirkfan]

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Oh and kirkfan, please stop dismissing teacake's views as BS. You go up against her, you'll lose...

Anything, that isn't supported by evidence deserves to be called BS. I could tell you where to put your advice but I don't think I need to.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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Oh and kirkfan, please stop dismissing teacake's views as BS. You go up against her, you'll lose...

Anything, that isn't supported by evidence deserves to be called BS.

Explain to me again, what you think the word 'subtle' means?

I could tell you where to put your advice but I don't think I need to.

You're right. You don't need to. Because that would just be a childish insult that has no place in civilized conversation.

 

[kirkfan]

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Explain to me again, what you think the word 'subtle' means?
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Your sycophantic assessment of myself is not something I would characterize as subtle.

You're right. You don't need to. Because that would just be a childish insult that has no place in civilized conversation.

Well, then your prior remark to me is out of bounds.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Either every Ferengi male in the month following the conclusion of Deep Space nine was going to be tossed in jail for ignoring the engorging of female rights, or there was going to be a violent and bloody civil war as the blokes on top tried to put the geenie back in the bottle.

Was Ishka a lone mutant, or was half the female population a thriving secret society of business women?

"Allowing" women to work, is not the same as forcing women to work too ignorant to know how, or wondering why illiterate house slaves allergic to clothing can't compete on a level playing field with men who have been trained in business since they could crawl.

Imagine if in England that equal pay legislation was pushed through parliament in 1540.

It seems nice, but could the existing generation, surprised by this change take any advantage of it?

Yes change the law on Ferenginar, that's good, but apart from a couple geniuses or mutants, it'll be at least a generation before they have a truly integrated workforce where women participate equally at every level.

A couple points:

1. We don't know how fast Ferengi adapt to societal change. In the books it's discussed that Vulcan innovativeness is held back by their natural tendency to fixate on one task. A Vulcan will spend 80 years in one career and not have any reason to think outside that box. Ferengi strike me as more adaptive, faster thinkers, non-linear and creative.

2. Ferengi husband A. is disgusted by this clothing of the wimmin but then he notices that Ferengi husband B.'s profits are nearly doubled from what they were a few months ago. Through subterfuge and the careful hiring of domestic help spies he finds out that Ferengi husband B. obtained the services of a Life and Profit Coach (a booming new field, .5% of all profit in the first year is exacted from the customer) for his berobed wife. It seems having a partner who is not your rival to bounce your ideas off of and to gain new ideas from is profitable!

Before long Ferengi husbands not aboard the Wife is Profit express are feeling very left behind..

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Oh and kirkfan, please stop dismissing teacake's views as BS. You go up against her, you'll lose...

Anything, that isn't supported by evidence deserves to be called BS. I could tell you where to put your advice but I don't think I need to.

I should stop being surprised when Star Trek fans are at total odds with imagination.

Do I dare explain it.. we are not just interested in what we saw on the screen. We like to talk about possibilities that happened off the screen, what ifs and agendas and subtexts. I don't care if someone goes off on a wild speculation based on a subtext I never noticed and don't believe existed, it's interesting. The characters we see on screen, if they were real people, would be a lot more complex than what we are shown.

I get that some people don't have a big imagination, I just don't get the hostility they show towards others excercising theirs.

 

[kirkfan]

Ishka wasn't a unique phenomenon. There was that female that disguised herself as a man and was obviously more gifted than both Zek and Quark for business transactions.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OF course she wasn't unique. There are probably many untold stories, the same can be said for women in oppressive societies on earth.

 

[kirkfan]

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Oh and kirkfan, please stop dismissing teacake's views as BS. You go up against her, you'll lose...

Anything, that isn't supported by evidence deserves to be called BS. I could tell you where to put your advice but I don't think I need to.

I should stop being surprised when Star Trek fans are at total odds with imagination.

Do I dare explain it.. we are not just interested in what we saw on the screen. We like to talk about possibilities that happened off the screen, what ifs and agendas and subtexts. I don't care if someone goes off on a wild speculation based on a subtext I never noticed and don't believe existed, it's interesting. The characters we see on screen, if they were real people, would be a lot more complex than what we are shown.

I get that some people don't have a big imagination, I just don't get the hostility they show towards others excercising theirs.

It's funny when someone like you makes an aggressive remark right before bewailing the alleged aggressiveness of someone else. That doesn't show them as hypocrites. No sir!

Did it ever occur to you to count yourself among those people? Of course not, born blind wouldn't realize that they were missing a whole sense if it weren't for those sighted people reminding them. Now if like you those born blind thought that the sighted ones were lying, they would never learn from their experience.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And I suppose you don't want to talk about how Kirk and Spock were frakking like rabbits either!

 

[kirkfan]

OF course she wasn't unique. There are probably many untold stories, the same can be said for women in oppressive societies on earth.

Yes, but the point is that when they were trying to find someone to substitute for Ishka they completely missed that female that both Quark and Zek knew existed.

 

[kirkfan]

And I suppose you don't want to talk about how Kirk and Spock were frakking like rabbits either!

Once every seven years for Spock. I don't even think that rabbits live that long.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm not being aggressive. There really are people seemingly against imagination who post here, who get upset whenever a thread veers off canon and into speculation. Onscreen canon only is very much the be all end all of Star Trek for some people. I would view speculation as imagination but they would view it as "bullshit".

Onscreen there are numerous cites for why Vulcan males don't have to wait every 7 years. Off screen speculation says Kirk was just sooooo hot that Spock could not resist his overtures. Also angst, but I'm not interested in that part as much as the frakking.

And here's the thing, even if Vulcan biology was as set in stone as the salmons people will still have fun making it otherwise.

 

[kirkfan]

I'm not being aggressive. There really are people seemingly against imagination who post here, who get upset whenever a thread veers off canon and into speculation. Onscreen canon only is very much the be all end all of Star Trek for some people. I would view speculation as imagination but they would view it as "bullshit".

Onscreen there are numerous cites for why Vulcan males don't have to wait every 7 years. Off screen speculation says Kirk was just sooooo hot that Spock could not resist his overtures. Also angst, but I'm not interested in that part as much as the frakking.

And here's the thing, even if Vulcan biology was as set in stone as the salmons people will still have fun making it otherwise.

I find deplorable the lack of acknowledgment of homosexuality in ST, except of course in the "evil" universe, which is even worse than no mention at all.

 

[hux]

How can anyone get this animated about the Ferenghi ?

You guys sound like nerds

Anyway, where was I........oh yes, talking about my imaginary future show that has amazing dialogue and cool ships with aliens and stuff

I dunno, there are so many models that have all been done by Trek or other franchises. Exploring. Lost far from home. Fighting a constant war. CSI: Quantum Time Cops. DS9 was the closest we got to my preference for an urban setting. I'm just wondering if people in charge aren't looking at these models and going, meh..

The setting doesn't bother me too much. I just want it to be really well written with brilliant, engaging characters and powerhouse performances. I'm not suggesting we re-invent the wheel and make it unrecognisable as Trek but let's just have a little more courage and really do something amazing, something intense, something that makes non trek fans pay attention

It won't happen of course

 

[kirkfan]

How can anyone get this animated about the Ferenghi ?

You guys sound like nerds
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You're right of course.

Mea culpa!