Non Sequitur - dangerous areas on earth in the 24th century?

[hux]

There probably is a seedy underbelly to earth though. Simply because, people.

This

People are dicks

Sooner or later, we'll spoil it for the rest of you

See how quickly vice admiral Leyton wanted to run the planet his way......the right way

That's how people work

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets not forget that education is free.

A lot of UFP ordinary people would spend their entire lives being educated for the sake of education, which would require a lot more people to teach and maintain all the universities across the Federation.

Meanwhile we've seen how difficult it is to get into Star Fleet Academy to become a Star Fleet officer, but maybe it's piss easy to become an enlisted member of Starfleet? 12 week bootcamp vs. 4 year syllabus.

What's the ratio of enlisted to Officers? 10:1?

What's the commitment of Enlisted to Officers? 3 years compared 40?

The point is that after you've spent 3 years in Star Fleet as a Petty Officer, you can pretty much write your own ticket in the civilian arena or maybe even civil service.

It's like in Starship Troopers where you're not allowed to vote until you've served a tour of duty in the Space Marines.

 

[kirkfan]

The French might like Shakespeare, but they don't claim to have invented it.

Hey, if the Klingons can do it then why the hell not the French?

 

[HIjol]

The French might like Shakespeare, but they don't claim to have invented it.

Hey, if the Klingons can do it then why the hell not the French?

But not the Irish!

 

[HIjol]

Lets not forget that education is free.

A lot of UFP ordinary people would spend their entire lives being educated for the sake of education, which would require a lot more people to teach and maintain all the universities across the Federation.

Meanwhile we've seen how difficult it is to get into Star Fleet Academy to become a Star Fleet officer, but maybe it's piss easy to become an enlisted member of Starfleet? 12 week bootcamp vs. 4 year syllabus.

What's the ratio of enlisted to Officers? 10:1?

What's the commitment of Enlisted to Officers? 3 years compared 40?

The point is that after you've spent 3 years in Star Fleet as a Petty Officer, you can pretty much write your own ticket in the civilian arena or maybe even civil service.

It's like in Starship Troopers where you're not allowed to vote until you've served a tour of duty in the Space Marines.

There are some nuggets in this here post. Education, being free and key, could also be the "currency" mentioned by Jirin above, or at least the currency generator. And, though it is a little difficult to grok, there would, needs be, a striation in 24th Century society, that of a "have/have not" in terms of access and ability. I am also picturing, whether we actually saw it or not in our glimpses of life then, a kind of "Uber-Peep", namely those who chose Star Fleet for the long haul.

 

[hux]

A lot of UFP ordinary people would spend their entire lives being educated for the sake of education, which would require a lot more people to teach and maintain all the universities across the Federation.

Whenever higher education has expanded to include greater numbers (as a means of furthering educational equality), it has either resulted in weaker degrees or "jedi Studies". If everyone is receiving that level of education then it is inevitable that some universities would be significantly superior to others.....so who decides who gets to go to which university?

Meanwhile we've seen how difficult it is to get into Star Fleet Academy to become a Star Fleet officer, but maybe it's piss easy to become an enlisted member of Starfleet? 12 week bootcamp vs. 4 year syllabus.

When they did that episode where Wesley has to do all those tests, I just thought......well I definitely wouldn't qualify for Starfleet.....back to the holodeck for me (where the bitterness inside would continue to grow)

The point is that after you've spent 3 years in Star Fleet as a Petty Officer, you can pretty much write your own ticket in the civilian arena or maybe even civil service.

But I'm still not hearing why I would do all that......why am I slogging my guts out to achieve a lifestyle that I still get by doing nothing. If I want to be an architect, who's gonna stop me?

 

[kirkfan]

The French might like Shakespeare, but they don't claim to have invented it.

Hey, if the Klingons can do it then why the hell not the French?

But not the Irish!

The Irish don't need Shakespeare, they have their own writers, that are quite good.

 

[HIjol]

Indeed they/we do kirk fan My comment was meant to be a funny send-up to the movie "Blazing Saddles". There is a similar funny line about The Irish.

"Ya'll ain"t laughin', though..."

Will Smith
"Men in Black"

 

[kirkfan]

Indeed they/we do kirk fan My comment was meant to be a funny send-up to the movie "Blazing Saddles". There is a similar funny line about The Irish.

"Ya'll ain"t laughin', though..."

Will Smith
"Men in Black"

I've seen that movie but I certainly don't know it that well. When does Will Smith say that?

 

[HIjol]

Will Smith says the line in "Men in Black" about the laughing during the testing part...

Olson Johnson says the "Irish" line during the negotiations to help the town in "Blazing Saddles"

 

[kirkfan]

Will Smith says the line in "Men in Black" about the laughing during the testing part...

Olson Johnson says the "Irish" line during the negotiations to help the town in "Blazing Saddles"

About MIB: You mean when they're all sitting in a room with a large low metallic oval table in the middle and Will pulls it toward his chair, while we hear a loud scrape?

 

[Lance]

The Peter David novel The Captain's Daughter suggests that there are places on Earth that are deliberately this way as a pull for tourists (who may want to experience said dangerous enviroments and the 'adventure' contained there in). Sulu's daughter was conceived in just such a place, a town named Demora.

 

[HIjol]

Will Smith says the line in "Men in Black" about the laughing during the testing part...

Olson Johnson says the "Irish" line during the negotiations to help the town in "Blazing Saddles"

About MIB: You mean when they're all sitting in a room with a large low metallic oval table in the middle and Will pulls it toward his chair, while we hear a loud scrape?

Yep... "The Best of the Best of the Best...with Honors!"

 

[kirkfan]

Will Smith says the line in "Men in Black" about the laughing during the testing part...

Olson Johnson says the "Irish" line during the negotiations to help the town in "Blazing Saddles"

About MIB: You mean when they're all sitting in a room with a large low metallic oval table in the middle and Will pulls it toward his chair, while we hear a loud scrape?

Yep... "The Best of the Best of the Best...with Honors!"

Ah Ok, I wasn't sure. Thanks.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Resume meat, social censure if you don't.

Not having a job is the 24th century equivalent of living in your parents' basement. Sure, you can get by, but it's embarrassing, and not going to get you many dates.

That's why you need to be a part of a subculture of jobless bludgers staying inside the law but doing it on beaches, with replicators. All you need is a replicator and land no one has a right to kick you off of. Now maybe on the glorious paradise that is earth only the government owns the land and you have to do stuff, like service jobs, to be allowed to even sleep there. In order to keep everyone wanting to work when replicators make this completely unnecessary force will have to be used. They probably beam out entire happy camps of folk just living the good life on some faraway beach, beam them out into a detention facility for the crime of living on the planet without working.

That would be the 21st century equivalent of living in your parents' basement, though. Sure, you could do it, but you get looked down upon.

Maybe a few people don't care and they just want to hang out and take advantage, but since these people are zero cost to support, maybe the government just doesn't care.

 

[kirkfan]

Resume meat, social censure if you don't.

Not having a job is the 24th century equivalent of living in your parents' basement. Sure, you can get by, but it's embarrassing, and not going to get you many dates.

That's why you need to be a part of a subculture of jobless bludgers staying inside the law but doing it on beaches, with replicators. All you need is a replicator and land no one has a right to kick you off of. Now maybe on the glorious paradise that is earth only the government owns the land and you have to do stuff, like service jobs, to be allowed to even sleep there. In order to keep everyone wanting to work when replicators make this completely unnecessary force will have to be used. They probably beam out entire happy camps of folk just living the good life on some faraway beach, beam them out into a detention facility for the crime of living on the planet without working.

That would be the 21st century equivalent of living in your parents' basement, though. Sure, you could do it, but you get looked down upon.

Maybe a few people don't care and they just want to hang out and take advantage, but since these people are zero cost to support, maybe the government just doesn't care.

People without any desire to contribute would likely have to undergo hours upon hours of counselling sessions with the likes of Troi as some mandatory requirement. In the end most would likely conclude that doing a job even an uninteresting one was by far preferable.

 

[hux]

That would be the 21st century equivalent of living in your parents' basement, though. Sure, you could do it, but you get looked down upon.

I'm having breakfast with my girlfriend in Paris, transporting to Thailand for a walk on the beach with my other girlfriend then meeting my friends in New York for a night out before going home to my replicator and my holodeck then tomorrow I'm working on my architect designs......the day after that I might decide to become a poet for a bit .....oh and on Tuesday we're gonna check out Risa for the week

Enjoy working in the sewers

Maybe a few people don't care and they just want to hang out and take advantage, but since these people are zero cost to support, maybe the government just doesn't care.

But how are they taking advantage? Because they refuse to slog their guts out working to maintain the sewers despite the fact that not doing so makes no difference to them at all. You make it sound like they're benefits scroungers or something

They're not

They're highly educated people who have attained qualifications in music, history, science, art, technology etc.....BUT.......they simply don't want to work in a sewer....they never have

These are not temporary jobs they do for the summer to make their CV look good......they're permanent jobs that need doing everyday

So again.......why would people qualified to be doctors do that kind of work long term......they simply wouldn't.....and why would lay abouts who can travel the world eating replicated caviar do it either.......they wouldn't

People only work in jobs they hate because....

A - they receive a financial/lifestyle reward for doing so
B - they live in an oppressive state that forces them to do so

If we're ruling out the former cos of an unconvincing speech Picard once made (and the post scarcity replicator society) then the latter is a totalitarian, authoritative state of oppression where only those who conform and tow the line will be tolerated

It sounds horrible

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I vote B.

Of course it's a very pretty oppression, insidious.

"You assimilate people and they don't even know it."

 

[kirkfan]

I vote B.

Of course it's a very pretty oppression, insidious.

"You assimilate people and they don't even know it."

It's amazing how many pearls of wisdom we owe to Eddington.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'll believe anything Eddington says once we get proof that the Federation forces worlds to join against their will.