I'll believe anything Eddington says once we get proof that the Federation forces worlds to join against their will.
The operative word in Eddington's statement is "insidious".
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The operative word in Eddington's statement is "insidious".
I saw a movie where Gillian Jacobs did not like her new boyfriends funny message T-Shirts. Gillian's mother explained that to change him she just had to treat him like a dog. Buy him new clothes, then blow him every time he wears the new clothes, and ignore his penis if he tries to go back to t-shirts.
Gentle psychological measures only work if you don't know that they are happening.
Why would you fight your own ideas when you don't know that your ideas are other peoples ideas?
That's how advertising work.
Creating a Manchurian candidate who will work against his interests and faiths requires a little more effort.
What they have to do in Gitmo and Game of Thrones, is days of physical abuse, mental degradation, literal castration, and continued dehumanization until all identity is removed and the subject will obey all orders or answer questions honestly without hesitation.
I was actually wondering if in Agent Carter, because of recent goings on, if they were going to make believe that naked human pyramids are not a recent invention, but that torturers had already been using that exercise to break baddie spies for generations.
Why would you fight your own ideas when you don't know that your ideas are other peoples ideas?
That's how advertising work.
Creating a Manchurian candidate who will work against his interests and faiths requires a little more effort.
What they have to do in Gitmo and Game of Thrones, is days of physical abuse, mental degradation, literal castration, and continued dehumanization until all identity is removed and the subject will obey all orders or answer questions honestly without hesitation.
I was actually wondering if in Agent Carter, because of recent goings on, if they were going to make believe that naked human pyramids are not a recent invention, but that torturers had already been using that exercise to break baddie spies for generations.
Have you seen the latest Star Trek New Voyages?
It's all about (it's a little bit about) Kirk's psyche being broken by a Klingon Mind Sifter.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFjikVnvypg[/yt]
It's all about (it's a little bit about) Kirk's psyche being broken by a Klingon Mind Sifter.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFjikVnvypg[/yt]
No, I have not, but thanks for the clip. Bet, for someone like James Kirk, his psyche would last a while!
Oh, no. That's 50 legal minutes worth of Star Trek. The full episode.
Just be careful to reduce the resolution before you watch it if you happen to be living in 2007 and still have a data cap.
Just be careful to reduce the resolution before you watch it if you happen to be living in 2007 and still have a data cap.
If you want more, there is more...
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/?category_name=episodes&orderby=title
But really considering how long ago Star Trek was cancelled, 1969, most of us have been looking for alternatives to full the void.
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/?category_name=episodes&orderby=title
But really considering how long ago Star Trek was cancelled, 1969, most of us have been looking for alternatives to full the void.
What she meant was try to elicit a Pavlovian response.
Eddington was a step in the right direction. I know people feel threatened when Roddenberry's vision is questioned but it had to happen some time. I think they did it quite well (slow, subtle, not too much of a hammer over the head) They introduced the Maquis who were perhaps the softest, most sanitised terrorist group I've ever seen but it was a start. They hinted at the possibility that not everyone loves the Federation (albeit through a military grievance that kept civilian dissent at bay)
Then they introduce Eddington and take it a little further and suggest it isn't just a military grievance.....perhaps some civilians do think the Federation is a little stifling after all; maybe paradise is just a tad oppressive for some
But then they dropped it. Eddington and Sisko's personal shit takes over and we don't see much more. Enterprise dabbled with the idea of people not being happy but they did it in a way that suggested the malcontents were a bizarre anomaly and would eventually die off when the shiny things came
If a new show gets made (and it will) I hope they look at it a little more. The people who find the federation oppressive, the people that outright hate it, the economy and it's inevitable contradictions, the haves and the have nots. The people who get a house by the beach and the people that don't and why
I'm Alan Partridge
http://youtu.be/zjXpSPGFGDg
http://youtu.be/BZ55E9YyhUg
http://youtu.be/b0tQHdeC8I4
Then they introduce Eddington and take it a little further and suggest it isn't just a military grievance.....perhaps some civilians do think the Federation is a little stifling after all; maybe paradise is just a tad oppressive for some
But then they dropped it. Eddington and Sisko's personal shit takes over and we don't see much more. Enterprise dabbled with the idea of people not being happy but they did it in a way that suggested the malcontents were a bizarre anomaly and would eventually die off when the shiny things came
If a new show gets made (and it will) I hope they look at it a little more. The people who find the federation oppressive, the people that outright hate it, the economy and it's inevitable contradictions, the haves and the have nots. The people who get a house by the beach and the people that don't and why
I'm Alan Partridge
http://youtu.be/zjXpSPGFGDg
http://youtu.be/BZ55E9YyhUg
http://youtu.be/b0tQHdeC8I4
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Exactly, everything has to be "normalised" to Human standards. Everything must be Earth centric. Join us and slowly adopt "our" values, beliefs, history, laws and ideals. Even the Vulcans have to sit and listen to crap about Cochrane inventing warp (centuries after they already had it)
The only thing Eddington got wrong was believing it was a Federation conspiracy
Nah, this is totally about Earth
Section 31 built the Federation
The only thing Eddington got wrong was believing it was a Federation conspiracy
Nah, this is totally about Earth
Section 31 built the Federation
The ferengi will disappear as an exotic culture BUT pretty much all their reforms will make theirs a much better society. Instead of being naked, subservient, slaves their females will progressively become equal, the weaker elements of society will get some social protection, sexual harassment will become illegal. I don't think any of this is a bad thing.
The ferengi idiosyncrasies will become extinct, sure. But the only thing I can say to that is, good riddance.
No. Ishka showed that a female can be clothed and not drink the root beer. She can make a lot of profit. Ultimately I would like to see Rom step down because of stress and a female step up (Ishka will do, nepotism is a Ferengi tradition) and a light bulb go off in the Ferengi culture that says females? TWICE the profit! Rom can be used to open up opportunities that you can't turn the clock back on once they are churning out profit. But Rom never fit into his own culture and deliberately embraced human and Bajoran values and ways, he is a joke as Grand Nagus. I'd like to believe Ishka is using him to navigate change and engineered the whole thing with no intention of letting Ferenginar turn into a Federation colony.
It wouldn't anyway because, religion. As we saw in False Profits the ferengi will give up family, home, comfort, everything for profit it's that deep a drive and belief.
I can see it now..
Rom: Well uhh.. the Federation has no money so uhh... we, we, we're gonna get rid of it too!
Assassination follows
It wouldn't anyway because, religion. As we saw in False Profits the ferengi will give up family, home, comfort, everything for profit it's that deep a drive and belief.
I can see it now..
Rom: Well uhh.. the Federation has no money so uhh... we, we, we're gonna get rid of it too!
Assassination follows
Welp the movies didn't move in that direction, we have our number one star as a malcontent who realizes the error of his ways and embraces starfleet.
It's such a cool universe, I'd love the protagonists to be centered around some seedy downtown area on Denobula that Phlox warned his friend about. Bunch of ragtags kicked out of Starfleet. OR ANYTHING. That's why DS9 was so great, you had main characters and agendas that weren't all about Starfleet. You saw civilian life and problems of varying species.
The new movies are just Hollywood fodder. They're reasonably entertaining flashing lights and noise which I tolerate purely as a means of keeping the Star Trek franchise alive as an investible business for future entertainment. Once the third film has been and gone and there's some distance between them and a new show, I reckon that whole pretend alternate universe will be utterly forgotten
They're just a life support machine for the franchise
When a new show comes, I hope it isn't something awful like the proposed "captain Worf". Just a load of.....modify the tachyon array so we can deflect the pulsar resonance beam.....just more flim flam
I want HBO Star Trek. I want characters and intrigue and darkness and mind blowing dialogue. I want Walter White as captain, Rick Grimes as first officer, Tyrion Lannister as chief engineer......gay characters, trans characters, ass hole characters, brilliant episodes that get you on the edge of your seat. Hipsters who never shut up about it......OMG, did you see last nights Star Trek.....It was unbelievable
But meh.......let's face it
We're gonna get captain Worf, aren't we?
And I'm gonna watch every damn episode........sigh
No. Ishka showed that a female can be clothed and not drink the root beer. She can make a lot of profit. Ultimately I would like to see Rom step down because of stress and a female step up (Ishka will do, nepotism is a Ferengi tradition) and a light bulb go off in the Ferengi culture that says females? TWICE the profit! Rom can be used to open up opportunities that you can't turn the clock back on once they are churning out profit. But Rom never fit into his own culture and deliberately embraced human and Bajoran values and ways, he is a joke as Grand Nagus. I'd like to believe Ishka is using him to navigate change and engineered the whole thing with no intention of letting Ferenginar turn into a Federation colony.
It wouldn't anyway because, religion. As we saw in False Profits the ferengi will give up family, home, comfort, everything for profit it's that deep a drive and belief.
I can see it now..
Rom: Well uhh.. the Federation has no money so uhh... we, we, we're gonna get rid of it too!
Assassination follows
Sure, if you ignore the actual episodes and invent new ones, you can believe anything you want, no matter how far fetched.
Zeck and Ishka had already implemented a few social changes, as was said by brunt to Quark. Most of the changes I am talking about were already in place. Ishka put Rom in charge because she knew that he would continue those changes instead of fighting them like Quark would have.
But it's ok, to invent bullshit, if bullshit is what you need to believe in.
Ishka influenced zek to name Rom as his successor because she knew that he would be the one to implement a new society based on social justice and because she knew that he is totally committed to that kind of thing as proven in bar association and when he was ready to sacrifice his life to fight the Dominion.
There's actually a lot to admire in Rom.
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