First off, I highly doubt that an intact wooden boat would survive a glacial freeze.
Actually, it could:
Plane Freed From a Glacier Sets Out for Britain Again
Noah's ark found
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Actually, it could:
Plane Freed From a Glacier Sets Out for Britain Again
^ 65 years of ice is one thing but 4000 years of it is another. That would be like comparing a pebble with a boulder.
How do you figure? Once it's encased in ice, nothing will happen to it.
Sorry. I didn't explain myself very well. I keep forgetting I can't do that.
The smaller more dense an object the better it will be preserved. An airplane or a mastodon is small enough that it would be able to move with the ice shelf's "plastic flow" without significant damage. A large object, like the supposed size of the Ark, would be more likely subjected to torsional stresses as the ice moved. Since this object is hollow and would take years of "percolation" to fill the internal structure with ice (this is a water tight boat after all), the weight of the ice above would probably cause it to collapse in on itself. (And if we want to argue about weight I would like to point out something called "isostatic rebound". This is where the glacier or ice sheet is so heavy it compresses the mantle under the crust which rebounds back after the glacier has melted or retreated. That is one heavy chunk of ice.) I am not saying all objects would be crushed. I am simply postulating that an ark of that size and great age would probably have not moved with the glacier intact for 4000 years. Again, we are comparing a pebble (the plane) with a boulder (the ark). Of course this is my own hypothesis based on the evidence and should not be taken as my stating a fact. Unlike most people I know that an opinion can not be a fact, no matter how hard you try to make it one.
To be specific to the topic and my previous post, the claims made by those people in the 1980's were based on a satellite image of a large intact man-made structure under the ice. (They even had a small picture of the image in the information they sent my dad. You could supposedly see the structural beam work in an "enhanced image". I wonder if he kept any of that?) I was just saying, given the movement of the ice and the size of the object, it couldn't possibly be intact. Speaking of satellite pictures, yesterday I read about another claim in the late 80's where they had found a large rectangular area of ice that was a different color than the surrounding accumulation. This was also at the top of the mountain and couldn't have possibly been the ark. It would have been carried much farther down slop over 4000 years. It was later proved to be nothing more than a rock formation.
And here is more about glaciers if anyone wants to read about them.
The smaller more dense an object the better it will be preserved. An airplane or a mastodon is small enough that it would be able to move with the ice shelf's "plastic flow" without significant damage. A large object, like the supposed size of the Ark, would be more likely subjected to torsional stresses as the ice moved. Since this object is hollow and would take years of "percolation" to fill the internal structure with ice (this is a water tight boat after all), the weight of the ice above would probably cause it to collapse in on itself. (And if we want to argue about weight I would like to point out something called "isostatic rebound". This is where the glacier or ice sheet is so heavy it compresses the mantle under the crust which rebounds back after the glacier has melted or retreated. That is one heavy chunk of ice.) I am not saying all objects would be crushed. I am simply postulating that an ark of that size and great age would probably have not moved with the glacier intact for 4000 years. Again, we are comparing a pebble (the plane) with a boulder (the ark). Of course this is my own hypothesis based on the evidence and should not be taken as my stating a fact. Unlike most people I know that an opinion can not be a fact, no matter how hard you try to make it one.
To be specific to the topic and my previous post, the claims made by those people in the 1980's were based on a satellite image of a large intact man-made structure under the ice. (They even had a small picture of the image in the information they sent my dad. You could supposedly see the structural beam work in an "enhanced image". I wonder if he kept any of that?) I was just saying, given the movement of the ice and the size of the object, it couldn't possibly be intact. Speaking of satellite pictures, yesterday I read about another claim in the late 80's where they had found a large rectangular area of ice that was a different color than the surrounding accumulation. This was also at the top of the mountain and couldn't have possibly been the ark. It would have been carried much farther down slop over 4000 years. It was later proved to be nothing more than a rock formation.
And here is more about glaciers if anyone wants to read about them.
Actually, They were only allowed to take small samples of the shroud, and it is believed that the shroud was repaired during the 13th-14th century and these samples were taken from this repaired area.
I'm not a christian but until they do some sort of full testing, I'm not sure what to believe.
Having a Religious Education teacher for a mum is awesome.. not
Hasn't someone 'found' the Ark every few years for the past several decades?
Truth. I remember when 'Noah's ark' was found on Mount Ararat in the 80s.
It was a franchise. Noah expanded a bit, did some advertising, and made a fleet.
Maybe Noah's was the Starbuck's or Krispy Kreme of the prehistory era. On Mt. Ararat, there was one on every corner.
"Wait out the flood in one of our 300 locations."
Perhaps it was like Green Lantern Corps. There was a Noah in every sector.
"Am I on Candid Camera?"
Bill Cosby as God: 'Get some wood and build it 300 cubits, by 80 cubits, by 40 cubits.'
Noah (Cosby): 'Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. What's a cubit?'
God: 'A cubit, yeah, uhhh, well I used to know what a cubit was, uhhh... Well, don't worry about that Noah, because when you get that done, go out in the world and collect all of the animals in the world by two, and put them... INTO THE ARK.'
Noah: 'Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.' *Pause*
'Who is this, really????'
Classic!
Cheers,
-CM-
Here's a link to the complete routine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk&feature=related
You;ve not seen what's happened to the early buildings from the exploration of Antarctica then? Ice moves, and it's pretty much relentless. It can crush a small hut easily.
Noah: where did I leave my boat
God: Have I not told you not to drink and boat on the same nite you might crash?
Noah: yeah but it was fermentation season.
God: I have struck down your boat so you must make a new one...
Noah: phewy but, what should I call that boat?
God: Earth, we will call the new-ark Earth
Noah: Hold up God Newark is in NJ they say it is the armpit of the world
God: Noah you have been too long at sea.
God: Have I not told you not to drink and boat on the same nite you might crash?
Noah: yeah but it was fermentation season.
God: I have struck down your boat so you must make a new one...
Noah: phewy but, what should I call that boat?
God: Earth, we will call the new-ark Earth
Noah: Hold up God Newark is in NJ they say it is the armpit of the world
God: Noah you have been too long at sea.
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Noah 2010
-- Noah: God has commanded that collect two of every animal and put it into my ark, but he is going to wash away the sin of the world! Follow me oh true believers and children of god.
-- Talking head on cable news: Clearly this man is a dangerous cult leader and the ATF or the FBI needs to step in a but a end to his isanity!
--- Three days the FBI has the Ark surrounded, choppers in the air, and Noah comes out in a body bag
-- Noah: God has commanded that collect two of every animal and put it into my ark, but he is going to wash away the sin of the world! Follow me oh true believers and children of god.
-- Talking head on cable news: Clearly this man is a dangerous cult leader and the ATF or the FBI needs to step in a but a end to his isanity!
--- Three days the FBI has the Ark surrounded, choppers in the air, and Noah comes out in a body bag
