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News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

As much as I love the Legends, I'm willing to give up having them in the crossover if it means we get Batwoman, Gotham, Superman and Lois instead.
I wonder if they'll address the other Bat's presence or lack thereof in the crossover, or if they'll save that for Batwoman's solo series?
 
One other advantage of a smaller crossover is that it probably won't have to be as much of a bottle show. As epic as Crisis on Earth-X was, I couldn't help noticing how much of it was structured to take place on the show's standing sets. Part 1 had the reception at CC Jitters, parts 2-3 were largely set at STAR Labs, part 3 had the Earth-X resistance headquarters look inexplicably like the Team Arrow bunker, and part 4 was mostly aboard the Waverider and it evil twin. If this crossover is largely set in Gotham City, they won't be able to rely as much on existing sets, so having to pay fewer series-regular-level actor salaries and residuals means they'll be able to invest more in new sets. (Unless, I dunno, they set much it at CatCo's Gotham office which uses the same layout as their National City office.)
 
It occurred to me that this might be the first opportunity to address the Legion ring in the Fortess of Solitude. Clark is likely to met Brainiac 5 who is a regular this season.
 
It would be cool to see Kal meet up with his old friends--and Mon-El now having memories of Superman's time with the Legion--of course, this being CW there will probably be some reason for there to be some tension between them.
 
theenglish said:
It would be cool to see Kal meet up with his old friends--and Mon-El now having memories of Superman's time with the Legion--of course, this being CW there will probably be some reason for there to be some tension between them.
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Why single out The CW? Conflict is the basis of all fiction.
 
Christopher said:
Why single out The CW? Conflict is the basis of all fiction.
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The CW DC shows do it a particular way though. I am just not interested in seeing a rehash of Season 3's Legion/Supergirl dynamic played out again but with Superman. I am curious though, if the show will go the comic book route and have Brainy and Kara develop a romance, and if so, how that affects the Mon-El storyline.
 
theenglish said:
The CW DC shows do it a particular way though.
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I don't see anything about them that's fundamentally outside the usual bell curve of series TV writing for the past few decades. I also don't agree that their conflicts conform to any single formula. If anything, the tensions Kara had with Mon-El and Saturn Girl were unusually subtle and understated for this sort of thing, because they were all fundamentally good people who bore no animus toward each other but just found themselves in a difficult situation through the vagaries of fate. That's a profoundly different sort of conflict from, say, Sara Lance struggling with her desire to kill Damien Darhk because he murdered her sister, or Cisco Ramon resenting Barry Allen for changing the timeline in a way that got Cisco's brother killed. Nor does it seem likely that Superman would be involved in a romantic triangle with any Legionnaires, given that he's with Lois.

If anything, given these creators' thorough knowledge of the source material, they might establish that Superman's time with the Legion was when he was a teenager. In the comics, I don't think the adult Superman even remembered most of what he did as a member of the Legion -- I think they established that Superboy's memory was wiped afterward to explain the discontinuity with the pre-existing Superman comics. So that might be the case here too. Maybe Superman knows enough of the basics to be aware of how he got the Legion ring but doesn't remember the specifics. Or maybe the ring has been a mystery to him all this time.
 
Something that has occured to me is another piece of evidence that Batwoman would be set on Earth-38 is that I think they're going for a 'World's Finest' set-up with Batwoman & Supergirl are both cousins of their male counterparts. I fully expect that if Supergirl gets a fifth season and Batwoman goes to series, there'll be a crossover between the two shows over and above any larger Arrowverse-wide crossover.
 
As much as I love the Legends, I'm willing to give up having them in the crossover if it means we get Batwoman, Gotham, Superman and Lois instead.
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I'm not. I'm already peeved that the Legends' role was minimized in the last crossover. If they're out, I won't be watching this one. And frankly, I'm not that interested in Batwoman or the Arrowverse's version of Superman.
 
theenglish said:
The CW DC shows do it a particular way though. I am just not interested in seeing a rehash of Season 3's Legion/Supergirl dynamic played out again but with Superman.
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Agreed.

Too much time was dedicated to the whine-a-thon that was Supergirl and Mon-El (and the stomping all over Mon-El's marriage) to the point where Supergirl was more concerned with romance than the already halfhearted Reign storyline.

I am curious though, if the show will go the comic book route and have Brainy and Kara develop a romance, and if so, how that affects the Mon-El storyline.
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But that drags the series back into that teen drama zone if Mon El shows up only to wear a hang-dog face once he sees SG and Brainiac, with SG "obligated" to explain her personal choices to a man who should be living his own life in the far future.
 
Honestly? Mon-El's story is played out. I enjoyed his presence but I want the show to go in a new direction regarding Kara's personal life now.
 
theenglish said:
I would gladly lose Justice League Time Force for a Legion of Super-Heroes show.
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You're now on my naughty list. :devil:
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Too much time was dedicated to the whine-a-thon that was Supergirl and Mon-El (and the stomping all over Mon-El's marriage) to the point where Supergirl was more concerned with romance than the already halfhearted Reign storyline.
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I agree, my wife and I almost quite because of that storyline
 
I did. Or at least I haven't seen the last six or seven episodes of last season and have no real inkling to. But hen I never saw Flash or Arrow to completion either. Legends is the only show I saw all the way through and even that I found underwhelming

At this point, I figure I'll just pick up with the primaries and hope for better this season.
 
theenglish said:
Honestly? Mon-El's story is played out. I enjoyed his presence but I want the show to go in a new direction regarding Kara's personal life now.
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Yeah, where they ended things in the finale felt like a nice end of that whole relationship and all the drama around it.
I actually didn't mind the stuff with Mon-El, Kara, and Saturn Girl this was one of the few times a show has done a story like that and it didn't make me want to throw my remote control through the TV. For once the characters were actually somewhat mature about it, and didn't act like a bunch of jealous idiots.
 
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