I'd rather just allow the dead to move on.
New TOS - Should we?
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I'd rather just allow the dead to move on.
The topic of Deep Faking actors was discussed in an article in the Hollywood Reporter yesterday (LINK) and there's a fairly nuanced listing of the concerns with it and concerns over how rights associated with likeness could be mishandled.
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And another interesting issue is that if actors are commodified, then we end up with the same problem we have with old franchises being endlessly rebooted because they have name recognition and this potentially dampens the output of original content. How do you find the next Marlon Brando if the dead Brando continues to appear in movie after movie?
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Why even look, when it will probably be quicker and cheaper to fake Brando?
OK, real life intruded with a few day's crisis, which may still continue. The conversation has moved well past where I was, so I'm going to introduce another, closely related question.
I just bought the collected Star Trek: Year Four comic. I'm going to make a claim first: aside from the fact that it's a completely different medium, I think the goal of the comic is identical to my original post: to continue the original voyages. For those who object to continuing TOS, do you also object to this? Why or why not?
I just bought the collected Star Trek: Year Four comic. I'm going to make a claim first: aside from the fact that it's a completely different medium, I think the goal of the comic is identical to my original post: to continue the original voyages. For those who object to continuing TOS, do you also object to this? Why or why not?
Check out a Robin Wright movie called The Congress, roughly based on Lem's The Futurological Congress, for more on this idea.
Because if the CGI Brando is overused people will stop paying money to watch. And so even if CGI Brando is cheaper, losing money on a production is costly. So there will remain a financial incentive to not overuse CGI likenesses.
It makes me a bit uncomfortable, aside from something like the original teleplay of "City on the Edge of Forever." The reason why is makes me uncomfortable is the same reason CGI should be used sparingly. It takes away from the original actors and potentially makes acting choices for them they may not do.
It's a weird and fine line to walk but it's one that I think needs to be considered in order to respect actors and their agency as actors.
I think that if people want CGI actors then they should craft CGI actors (much like they did with Aki Ross in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within) and then hire those out.
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As I've noted previously, I think you and others making similar arguments have compelling points here. This is all the more true because (and since some of the creators may read this, I want to walk a fine line) I'm underwhelmed by the comic.
That being said, Chris Pine makes acting choices that Bill Shatner would not have made. How do you feel about that? Does the "alternate universe" MacGuffin make that acceptable?
Yes, because the actor still have agency and it isn't Shatner's likeness. The comic (and CGI recreation) would be using Shatner's likeness, inserting words in to their mouth and the like. It's basically making actors puppets.
Well, I certainly hope not. I found one quite sufficient.
Pine is a different actor playing a different version of the character, so I don't see the issue. I do have an issue with them telling me Ethan Peck is playing the same exact character as Leonard Nimoy, even though I think Peck did a nice job.
Comics are a bit different, as they are reaching a really limited audience, and the actors have given consent for their likenesses to be used. But I don't mistake comics for TOS, and I don't think many folks do.
I think Brandon Routh's performance as Clark Kent was a masterful homage to Christopher Reeve that was probably more impressive than a CGI Reeve would have been. I actually have no major problem with re-casting; I have more of a problem where the new actor says they haven't bothered to watch the previous actor's performance and we don't get the same character coming through.
I rather like Robin Curtis, I just wasn't happy that Saavik's emotional responses were gone, which was a directorial choice as you can see from Catrall's performance in VI.
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Deepfake the actors to "act" in a new series Hell, no!!
Create a new TOS series set on another ship with a new crew, BUT have stories and atmosphere in line with TOS. Hell yes!!
Create a new TOS series set on another ship with a new crew, BUT have stories and atmosphere in line with TOS. Hell yes!!
He was nothing like Leonard Nimoy's Spock at all. Zachary Quinto was much better and facially more similar!
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I for one loved it.
Reboot the TOS series, new actors new stories, 1960's are never coming back. No one expects Hamlet to be the same actor every time do they?
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