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[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I was disappointed with River. She was their daughter and yet the Doctor seemed more upset over their deaths.

Regarding that clip, poor Doctor

I'm know Clara will join him soon but I kind of wish he would have gone back and brought Craig and Alfie as new companions. He and Craig were so funny together!

Will I like Clara? Thoughts on Clara please.

River was not sad, cause she was not bound by the same cause/effect restrictions as the Doctor here. She was able to visit her parents in New York and in fact did.
Remember they lived full lives in the past and were happy enough for all those years, adopting another child who eventually grew up to meet his grandpa Brian.

I like Clara. And you already met her.. sort of.
Some people find her annoying.
Some people claim she is only a story macguffin instead of a fully realized character.
And later they get annoyed that she gets such a big focus and character development over the Doctor.
No pleasing fans, is there?

 

[Guy Gardener]

She is the most attractive woman in the universe for her height.

 

[Nightowl1701]

To me, Clara is a 21st century version of one of the most beloved Companions of all - Sarah Jane Smith. (Not literally, not literally!) And Sarah wasn't quite the same Companion with Jon Pertwee's Third Doctor that she would be with Tom Baker's Fourth, any more than Clara is with Eleven and then Twelve. If you don't like Clara at first, give her time. She might surprise you.

Meanwhile, might as well get to know the Paternoster Gang a little better, JG - you're going to be seeing a lot more of them from this point.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rirju6is4Sw[/yt]

 

[DWF]

I was disappointed with River. She was their daughter and yet the Doctor seemed more upset over their deaths.

Regarding that clip, poor Doctor

I'm know Clara will join him soon but I kind of wish he would have gone back and brought Craig and Alfie as new companions. He and Craig were so funny together!

Will I like Clara? Thoughts on Clara please.

River was not sad, cause she was not bound by the same cause/effect restrictions as the Doctor here. She was able to visit her parents in New York and in fact did.
Remember they lived full lives in the past and were happy enough for all those years, adopting another child who eventually grew up to meet his grandpa Brian.

I like Clara. And you already met her.. sort of.
Some people find her annoying.
Some people claim she is only a story macguffin instead of a fully realized character.
And later they get annoyed that she gets such a big focus and character development over the Doctor.
No pleasing fans, is there?

Matt Smith's Doctor is rather obsessed with Clara though adn she is the Impossible Girl. And like all the other female companions she became the focal point of the show.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

So why exactly is the Doctor restricted but River isn't?

Amy is The Girl Who Waited and Clara is The Impossible Girl? Do all the Doctors have special nicknames for their female companions? Also, doesn't Clara fall in love with him?

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, but he admits that he shouldn't have flirted so much.

If you want to see the Doctor in love, that's Rose, but he was so ####ing young back then it barely counts as something that ever happened.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Yeah, he does seem like quite the flirt. Rory spent a good amount of time being jealous.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

She is the most attractive woman in the universe for her height.

Wait. Are you saying that shorter women aren't attractive?

 

[Volpone]

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[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DlB8vLUilw[/yt]

 

[Guy Gardener]

She is the most attractive woman in the universe for her height.

Wait. Are you saying that shorter women aren't attractive?

No, just that there's a method of judging beauty where only women of exactly the same height are in competition with each other to be the fairest of them all.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

OMG! That was the funniest thing ever! Batman killed it!

Guy that's quite a method ya have there.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I really don't like moving my neck much.

 

[Ithekro]

The Doctor and his TARDIS have rules and issues going to certain places in time. When the Doctor comes to the notion that he can't see someone again or it will cause the universe to implode, he'll not go and see you again, even if you live on for 50 more years. Mostly because he thinks if he does, you and the universe you live in will died horrible deaths followed by non-existance.

River Song has no such use for rules, nor needs a TARDIS most of the time. She can pop back to New York to see her parents whenever she wants. Her going back won't cause space and time to implode (unless it does because she causes a thing to happen that shouldn't happen...like if she gets Rory killed (again) sometime before his gravestone saids he died. Then Time goes a bit wonky.

I'm of the mindset that the Williams (Ponds to the Doctor) stayed in New York until at least 1970, where they picked up a newly regenerated Melody Pond and raised her until around the time Rory died of old age. Then Amy sends her daughter to England to go meet Amelia Pond back when she was a little girl. Melody might have regenerated again in New York before being shipped off as a toddler (Mels) around the early 1990s. Mels may not have known who the old couple that raised her were until much later (as River Song).

But that's just my thoughts based on the convinience of Melody regenerating in New York in 1970 and the Ponds being shipped off to New York over 30 years before that, but being alive still at that time, and probably still living in New York. It would also fulfill one of Amy's wishes...to raise her daughter.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Not sure if Corden (Craig) will be back-he's got the talk show now (Which I think took over from Craig Ferguson, who was a major Who fan and featured stars and references on his show). Not sure if he's doing well with that though.

It'd be interested to see him react to Capaldi though, even though he's probably aware that the Doctor regenerates (from their "mind meld" in the Lodger).

 

[intrinsical]

So why exactly is the Doctor restricted but River isn't?

Here's my take.

So long as there isn't any further time travel or time paradoxes in that period of time, Manhattan will be fine. So someone can still time travel to a point before the Weeping Angels came and live in Manhattan for a decade (or two), then time travel away without worry.

I'm guessing that's what River is willing to do. After all she finally gets to spend a decade or two with her parents. Technically The Doctor could do the same too. But as we saw in The Power of Three, Eleven couldn't even stand staying in one place and time for a few days. I don't think he can stand living a decade in one fixed point in space and time.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

You know, I saw series 7 again recently, and its a rather dissapointing 50th anniversary series, if it was meant to be that. Its not the lack of nods, its the lack of celebration towards those elements. Its like Moffat consciously underplayed the important of that year - although the BBC certainly helped, with its budget cuts that year that resulted partially to the splitting of the season.

Seriously, the BBC screwed up that anniversary year. Booh!

Utter nonsense.

I'm sorry?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Not sure if Corden (Craig) will be back-he's got the talk show now (Which I think took over from Craig Ferguson, who was a major Who fan and featured stars and references on his show).

You are correct; additionally, it's even more fun when you learn that Craig Ferguson and Peter Capaldi are old friends; bandmates, even!

 

[Nightowl1701]

So why exactly is the Doctor restricted but River isn't?

"If you got out [of New York], you'd have to keep running for the rest of your life. [The Angels] would be chasing you forever."

"We could have blown New York off the planet. I can't ever take the TARDIS back there. The timelines are too scrambled."

"In normal circumstances he might have gone back and said, ‘Look, we’ll just put a headstone up and we’ll just write the book’. But there is so much scar tissue, and the number of paradoxes that have already been inflicted on that nexus of timelines (in New York), that it will rip apart if you try to do one more thing. He has to leave it alone. Normally he could perform some surgery - this time too much surgery has already been performed." - Steven Moffat

"This book I've got to write. Melody Malone. I presume I send it to Amy to get it published?"

Send it. Not deliver it.

River's cut off too.

 

[DWF]

So why exactly is the Doctor restricted but River isn't?

"If you got out [of New York], you'd have to keep running for the rest of your life. [The Angels] would be chasing you forever."

"We could have blown New York off the planet. I can't ever take the TARDIS back there. The timelines are too scrambled."

"In normal circumstances he might have gone back and said, ‘Look, we’ll just put a headstone up and we’ll just write the book’. But there is so much scar tissue, and the number of paradoxes that have already been inflicted on that nexus of timelines (in New York), that it will rip apart if you try to do one more thing. He has to leave it alone. Normally he could perform some surgery - this time too much surgery has already been performed." - Steven Moffat

"This book I've got to write. Melody Malone. I presume I send it to Amy to get it published?"

Send it. Not deliver it.

River's cut off too.

The Doctor could've eaily have travelled to New Jersey and taken a train into New York.

 

[Nightowl1701]

And then if he accidentally changed one big thing while he was there, Marty McFly style? Or some other time traveling monster/assassin/army showed up in the Big Apple, having tracked him down (where the Doctor goes, trouble follows), and Amy & Rory get mixed up in it? BOOM. No more New York. It's that fragile.

He just can't risk it. Nor can River. Period.