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This makes me wonder if we'll finally get all terrain vehicles going through the gate. Similar to the dune buggy in Star Trek Nemesis

Argo-ATV.webp
 
Now that would be cool. I'm really starting to get psyched for this. I really hope that it will live up to expectations.
 
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This makes me wonder if we'll finally get all terrain vehicles going through the gate. Similar to the dune buggy in Star Trek Nemesis

Argo-ATV.webp

Honestly? Why not? If they had puddle jumpers that could fly through the Gate it would make sense to have form of ATV that would make it a lot easier to walk everywhere.
 
Honestly? Why not? If they had puddle jumpers that could fly through the Gate it would make sense to have form of ATV that would make it a lot easier to walk everywhere.

1f 20 years ago they had dirt bikes, and they should have had dirt bikes, the noise would have made it impossible for MacGyver to act while yelling like a maniac.

Ditto for dune buggies.

Also since the practical effects would have been so much more prudent, apart from having a gas engine running on the set for hours, and half the cast dying, than it would have been with using first generation CGI, did they really have a right to give in to a fiscally irresponsible a choice?
 
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They walked because vehicles would be loud and expensive. I'd rather not have ATV's as an everyday item.
 
They walked because vehicles would be loud and expensive. I'd rather not have ATV's as an everyday item.

Electric vehicles could be nearly silent. And "expensive" is rarely an issue for the military, unless you're talking in real-world production terms about TV budgets (in which case loudness isn't a factor, since most exterior audio is redubbed in post-production anyway).
 
Electric vehicles could be nearly silent. And "expensive" is rarely an issue for the military, unless you're talking in real-world production terms about TV budgets (in which case loudness isn't a factor, since most exterior audio is redubbed in post-production anyway).
It was expensive for the show. Being able to overdub a very loud vehicle also means you have to ADR the actors. Not always possible in the time constraints of a TV schedule.
With modern streaming shows it's certainly more possible, but I think it kinda defeats the charm of the original.
 
Which stories in the original 10 seasons would have been served by having a fancy jeep offworld?

What stories couldn't be told?

The comparison to Picard's buggy in Nemesis is apt.
 
Electric vehicles could be nearly silent. And "expensive" is rarely an issue for the military, unless you're talking in real-world production terms about TV budgets (in which case loudness isn't a factor, since most exterior audio is redubbed in post-production anyway).

How loud were the bikes on Galactica 1980? ;)

Or more seriouslly Chips?
 
Being able to overdub a very loud vehicle also means you have to ADR the actors. Not always possible in the time constraints of a TV schedule.

As I said, it's always been routine to redub actors' lines in exterior scenes due to the inability to control environmental noises like wind, overhead jets, nearby traffic, etc. It's especially obvious in older shows where the "outdoor" dialogue has a distinctly in-studio timbre to it, but the practice is still fairly common.

Besides, driving scenes have always been commonplace in TV and film, and while they're often done in-studio with projection screens, plenty of shows have done driving scenes in the real outdoors, e.g. any M*A*S*H episode where they're driving in a Jeep.

Heck, even without exterior filming, ADR is still an entirely routine practice due to the frequent need to tweak dialogue in post-production or improve lines that didn't come out quite right in terms of the recording or the delivery. After all, every single sound effect and background noise in a film or TV show has to be added in post-production, as does the incidental music, so every TV schedule must always include post-production audio dubbing and editing as a matter of course, and ADR would be part of that.


Which stories in the original 10 seasons would have been served by having a fancy jeep offworld?

What stories couldn't be told?

Odd question. Naturally they based the stories on what resources they had. If they'd had vehicles, it would have generated different stories that couldn't have been done without them.


The comparison to Picard's buggy in Nemesis is apt.

One bad example does not invalidate the entire premise. The problem with Nemesis was not that a vehicle existed, but that the entire action sequence could have been deleted without affecting the story in the slightest. (The same criticism can be applied to the Penguin car chase in The Batman.) That doesn't mean a vehicle sequence can't be an integral part of a very worthwhile story -- e.g. The Wages of Fear or Back to the Future or Mad Max: Fury Road.
 
The problem with Nemesis was not that a vehicle existed, but that the entire action sequence could have been deleted without affecting the story in the slightest.

And it belies the reality of 24th century technology. with all the fanciful tech they have including anti-gravity vehicles, and the best the writer could come up with is Damnation Alley-style upgraded cruise buggy with rubber wheels?

And you are right about the whole point of it existing. But I raise you: it completely goes against the thoughtful, intelligent, intellectual and restrained Captain we knew for the series, whose idea of doing something adventurous was playing a p.i. on the holodeck and steering the ship while powered off.

He was Captain Picard for Generations, then he was Action Hero Picard for the final three films.
 
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Which stories in the original 10 seasons would have been served by having a fancy jeep offworld?

Any time they had to walk for hours in Vancouver :D

[SG-1 are walking through the woods, searching for a downed UAV.]

Rules of Engagement

O'NEILL
You know, that UAV needs a swift kick in the CPU.




What stories couldn't be told?

The most obvious one would be "Atlantis"
 
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They walked because vehicles would be loud and expensive. I'd rather not have ATV's as an everyday item.
Electric vehicles could be nearly silent. And "expensive" is rarely an issue for the military, unless you're talking in real-world production terms about TV budgets (in which case loudness isn't a factor, since most exterior audio is redubbed in post-production anyway).
Yes, but we"re talking a TV show. Vehicles would add to production time fiming both on location and in studio, plus, it would be hard to find large areas in the Canada forests to drive in, and not make it look like the dirt paths they were using hadn't been groomed.

In the script no one cares how long it takes to get from point A to point B as it's all settled in a few lines of dialogue.

Everyone walked and covered the distance required at the speed/time needed by the plot.
 
Yes, but we"re talking a TV show.

A streaming TV show that will presumably have shorter seasons, allowing more money to be spent on each episode.


Vehicles would add to production time fiming both on location and in studio, plus, it would be hard to find large areas in the Canada forests to drive in, and not make it look like the dirt paths they were using hadn't been groomed.

You're thinking in terms of the old shows. The new series will be filmed mainly in London, with location shooting around the world. If they have the budget for that, they have the budget for vehicles. And obviously their location choices would be based on the needs of a given episode.

Heck, even the original series didn't film exclusively in forests, not by a long shot. That's a joke people tell these days, but don't mistake it for reality. Part of the reason the Vancouver area has been such a popular filming location for decades is that it has a wide range of environments within a reasonable distance.


In the script no one cares how long it takes to get from point A to point B as it's all settled in a few lines of dialogue.

Obviously it depends on the needs of the story. There are many stories that use vehicles in a more integral way than just traveling to the story's setting.
 
:guffaw: What? You don't think producers and Amazon Execs watch the budget or care how much they spend per episode?

No wonder you just write books.
I highly doubt that a show that's slated for international location shoots, plural, has the same scale of per-episode budget as a twenty-episode standing-sets-and-day-trip-locations show from the 2000s. SGU went to America, once, and half the rest of their planets were on the soundstage.

Even you were talking about why the first generation shows didn't use ATVs and trucks regularly then, not why the new show won't use them now.
 
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Something so endearing about Joe Flannigan - seems like a proper top lad and someone who genuinely loved doing the show.

Nice to hear that he still speaks with Jason Momoa

I'm a big fan of Universe but think his comments on it and some of the reasons it struggled are pretty spot on

Think the interviewer is great too - allows things to breathe and is there to offer direction but not take away from Joe's thoughts

Very good point about how Amazon aren't doing this for shits and giggles - just did a brief look at MGM's top franchises: Bond obviously is miles ahead of the rest (wouldn't be surprised if it outright has grossed more than they entire rest of the portfolio combined) then you have Rocky, Addams Family in the low $bns but after that Stargate is one of their highest (Stargate, Pink Panther, Robocop are within $100m of each other at the top of that next banding) and so makes sense that they'd give it a push.

Very astute about how one of the things that made Sheppard was being confident without being invincible and also how having great villains to bounce off was key to making it work - Dukat and Sisko being the perfect Trek comparison.
 
:guffaw: What? You don't think producers and Amazon Execs watch the budget or care how much they spend per episode?

No wonder you just write books.
Previously, TV series were made with budgets of 2-3 million dollars per episode. Now, shows, unless they are being made for broadcast on a US TV channel, are made with budgets of 10-20 million dollars, or even 40 million dollars, per episode. Considering that this show will be filmed in many countries around the world, it will probably be made with similar budgets.
 
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