New Picard SDCC Trailer
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What do I make of the teaser?
Let's run through it:
"Have you ever been a stranger to yourself?"
The maudlin melodramatic question at the get-go is not a good sign. Especially with the sappy tinkle muzak. (Sorry, it's all so by-the-numbers and this is even before the shiny font credits appears. 10 seconds.)
Data sacrificed himself 20 years earlier, okay, this takes place 20 years after NEM. And he's bitching about his booze yard and to the point he makes Arnold Rimmer look like the Captain Picard of old by comparison, seriously?
And this is Picard, who survived Cardassians and Borg, only to have - at least from a previous trailer - imply he made a tactical error during some rescue mission... what's the rescue mission involving?
Now there's a woman in a cloaked hoodie, revealing it, spouting the usual "Do you know who I am!" line? Are we supposed to be laughing? At the teaser, not the article that's now more interesting than this teaser but, hark, I shalleth continue:
Nice to know she feels safe with grandpa...
Gramps is not looking up at a big hospital. Possibly because he has cramps.
Picard is now telling the head of the mental hospital about the mystery woman who came to him for help. Glad I kept watching, this is starting to intrigue...
She's running in a straight line and Star Wars stormtroopers keep missing. Oh dear, barely one second in and already the momentum is lost...
"If she is who I think she is" - is Picard referring to Julie Newmar's Catwoman from Batman 66? Only Catwoman can run past all those zappie-zaps and beat up the stormtroopers the same way every cliche lead in every modern show seems to be doing... Like Dot Matrix from Spaceballs, who isn't going back into "Sleep Mode" at this point?
No, it doesn't matter she's being transported away at the last second, though to compare at least she's not whipping the heineys off of all 3 of them as if she's yet-another-Mary Sue or something far more fake than in some of the other modern shows. This is a surprise.
"She is in serious danger" - more melodrama followed by another title font with predictable, templated muzak.
Lots of CGI ships. I hope they're not Romulan.
"Sometimes I worry you've forgotten who you are..." drones the dripping voice, complete with Captain Picard Day banner that, in 1994, received mixed reviews. So there's a nostalgia tug callback to something iffy as well as a possible double-meaning. Or she's accusing him of having Alzheimers, can the melodrama get any more soppy than this?
Nice scaffolding with that sciencefictioney tritey lighting. I bet it's a better actor than 90% of the human cast.
"...we do not." So this sappy melodramatic character has multiple personality disorder?
"You can't do it alone... you need help" - offscreen male voice. Yes, another melodramatic throwaway one-liner. Oooh, just like my honeymoon at just the right moment. Oh, wait...
All while Picard raises his hands with look of "duh" on his face.
"We need protection" - so this is a glorified condom commercial now?
"We need a crew" after a couple more shots of a couple more characters, who look like they've been constipated for six days and eight nights.
"Be the captain they remember" - in-joke for the audience to drool over? And what's up with what looks like a command chair in the middle of the Engineering section? Or is this a galactic school bus? Short bus and the driver is a mid-30s guy with a beard?
At least the background music is mixed in at a perfect volume, nor is it cheap and tacky music. It's by the numbers but it's surprisingly not cheap and tacky.
One last look at Picard looking "duh" before another credits font wind-up appears.
Picard's walking around some more, in nature and then with some bloke in an area lit with fluorescent tubes. Mercury-free?
Nobody knows who the mystery woman is. Maybe the teaser can actually make her more interesting than a used popsicle stick?
Beardy guy spewing more melodramatic fluff to someone giving him what might be perceived as "wanna make it with me" bedroom eyes - the lighting ensures the ears are hidden. Is he a Vulcan? Spock's son, why not - gotta keep Small Universe Syndrome going...
"She's the end of all! She's the destroyer!" More melodrama and then we see a giant set of Craps dice only there's (go figure) only one there, so so much for snake eyes. Maybe the Borg queen died, hence their "feeling blue" - but it's got some designer stripes on it now, so I suppose that fits in with the "25%" narrative?
But the Borg. There's no indication they took over the Federation yet. Is the mystery woman a new type of Borg, like what the Cylons did in "Galactica 1980"?
Even 1970s Doctor Who wasn't anywhere this level of melodrama...
Back to Picard pouring his nth glass of booze since the teaser now has to wind down.
"The hell are you doing here Picard, saving the galaxy?" asks -- oooooh yeah, not since Boston Public! And with 25% larger prosthesis around her eye, how perfect! And she acts as if she's known him for a decade or so!! The takeaways here are numerous. Apart from Small Universe Syndrome and how 7 now has a fully formed sense of humor and personality that seem a little too honed and perfect, it seems.
Montage of clips including Picard being hauled off by a guard, 7 in front of some TARDIS roundels, a mummy whose bandages were removed with Borg appendages at the ready(?), running down corridors best suited for good Doctor Who, Picard doing his John MacClane gun pew pew shooting stance, mystery woman this teaser completely fails to make even remotely interesting despite the purported importance claimed, and then some pure fanwank of "Engage".
"Early 2020". Ok.
Oh, wait, this also takes place in Kelvinverse. Data's sacrifice may have been involving something different and not NEM as we know it but, why not, even in Kelvinland NEM may have been a better outing.
Disclaimers:
1. I paused and reacted in real time.
2. My reply covers the teaser only. The show's premiere should be doing the real work of setting up premise and follow-through. A teaser is designed to lure and win interest. Mine's just about there despite the by-the-numbers approach. And it wouldn't take much to make the Borg good again (VOY did well with them for a while but then squandered it, and it's all good enough that now I wonder if 7 and Picard will have to deal with the Borg directly again. And, of course, that rescue mission from the other teaser... but I won't think into it too much and not because I already had.)
Let's run through it:
"Have you ever been a stranger to yourself?"
The maudlin melodramatic question at the get-go is not a good sign. Especially with the sappy tinkle muzak. (Sorry, it's all so by-the-numbers and this is even before the shiny font credits appears. 10 seconds.)
Data sacrificed himself 20 years earlier, okay, this takes place 20 years after NEM. And he's bitching about his booze yard and to the point he makes Arnold Rimmer look like the Captain Picard of old by comparison, seriously?
And this is Picard, who survived Cardassians and Borg, only to have - at least from a previous trailer - imply he made a tactical error during some rescue mission... what's the rescue mission involving?
Now there's a woman in a cloaked hoodie, revealing it, spouting the usual "Do you know who I am!" line? Are we supposed to be laughing? At the teaser, not the article that's now more interesting than this teaser but, hark, I shalleth continue:
Nice to know she feels safe with grandpa...
Gramps is not looking up at a big hospital. Possibly because he has cramps.
Picard is now telling the head of the mental hospital about the mystery woman who came to him for help. Glad I kept watching, this is starting to intrigue...
She's running in a straight line and Star Wars stormtroopers keep missing. Oh dear, barely one second in and already the momentum is lost...
"If she is who I think she is" - is Picard referring to Julie Newmar's Catwoman from Batman 66? Only Catwoman can run past all those zappie-zaps and beat up the stormtroopers the same way every cliche lead in every modern show seems to be doing... Like Dot Matrix from Spaceballs, who isn't going back into "Sleep Mode" at this point?
No, it doesn't matter she's being transported away at the last second, though to compare at least she's not whipping the heineys off of all 3 of them as if she's yet-another-Mary Sue or something far more fake than in some of the other modern shows. This is a surprise."She is in serious danger" - more melodrama followed by another title font with predictable, templated muzak.
Lots of CGI ships. I hope they're not Romulan.
"Sometimes I worry you've forgotten who you are..." drones the dripping voice, complete with Captain Picard Day banner that, in 1994, received mixed reviews. So there's a nostalgia tug callback to something iffy as well as a possible double-meaning. Or she's accusing him of having Alzheimers, can the melodrama get any more soppy than this?
Nice scaffolding with that sciencefictioney tritey lighting. I bet it's a better actor than 90% of the human cast.
"...we do not." So this sappy melodramatic character has multiple personality disorder?
"You can't do it alone... you need help" - offscreen male voice. Yes, another melodramatic throwaway one-liner. Oooh, just like my honeymoon at just the right moment. Oh, wait...
All while Picard raises his hands with look of "duh" on his face.
"We need protection" - so this is a glorified condom commercial now?
"We need a crew" after a couple more shots of a couple more characters, who look like they've been constipated for six days and eight nights.
"Be the captain they remember" - in-joke for the audience to drool over? And what's up with what looks like a command chair in the middle of the Engineering section? Or is this a galactic school bus? Short bus and the driver is a mid-30s guy with a beard?
At least the background music is mixed in at a perfect volume, nor is it cheap and tacky music. It's by the numbers but it's surprisingly not cheap and tacky.
One last look at Picard looking "duh" before another credits font wind-up appears.
Picard's walking around some more, in nature and then with some bloke in an area lit with fluorescent tubes. Mercury-free?
Nobody knows who the mystery woman is. Maybe the teaser can actually make her more interesting than a used popsicle stick?
Beardy guy spewing more melodramatic fluff to someone giving him what might be perceived as "wanna make it with me" bedroom eyes - the lighting ensures the ears are hidden. Is he a Vulcan? Spock's son, why not - gotta keep Small Universe Syndrome going...
"She's the end of all! She's the destroyer!" More melodrama and then we see a giant set of Craps dice only there's (go figure) only one there, so so much for snake eyes. Maybe the Borg queen died, hence their "feeling blue" - but it's got some designer stripes on it now, so I suppose that fits in with the "25%" narrative?
But the Borg. There's no indication they took over the Federation yet. Is the mystery woman a new type of Borg, like what the Cylons did in "Galactica 1980"?
Even 1970s Doctor Who wasn't anywhere this level of melodrama...
Back to Picard pouring his nth glass of booze since the teaser now has to wind down.
"The hell are you doing here Picard, saving the galaxy?" asks -- oooooh yeah, not since Boston Public! And with 25% larger prosthesis around her eye, how perfect! And she acts as if she's known him for a decade or so!! The takeaways here are numerous. Apart from Small Universe Syndrome and how 7 now has a fully formed sense of humor and personality that seem a little too honed and perfect, it seems.
Montage of clips including Picard being hauled off by a guard, 7 in front of some TARDIS roundels, a mummy whose bandages were removed with Borg appendages at the ready(?), running down corridors best suited for good Doctor Who, Picard doing his John MacClane gun pew pew shooting stance, mystery woman this teaser completely fails to make even remotely interesting despite the purported importance claimed, and then some pure fanwank of "Engage".
"Early 2020". Ok.
Oh, wait, this also takes place in Kelvinverse. Data's sacrifice may have been involving something different and not NEM as we know it but, why not, even in Kelvinland NEM may have been a better outing.
Disclaimers:
1. I paused and reacted in real time.
2. My reply covers the teaser only. The show's premiere should be doing the real work of setting up premise and follow-through. A teaser is designed to lure and win interest. Mine's just about there despite the by-the-numbers approach. And it wouldn't take much to make the Borg good again (VOY did well with them for a while but then squandered it, and it's all good enough that now I wonder if 7 and Picard will have to deal with the Borg directly again. And, of course, that rescue mission from the other teaser... but I won't think into it too much and not because I already had.)
-Looks like I’ll finally buy the CBS thing now.
-Must be the B4 as Data was totally vaporized in Nemesis.
-Some folks theorize that the young girl is Lal. Might make sense that Picard thinks he must help her because he owes data.
-So theres TNG and Voy fan service. How about DS9?
-Anyone posted screencaps for detailed nit-picking yet?
-I think B4 looks like he does because this is what Data was always supposed to look like if 1980s makeup had allowed.
-Must be the B4 as Data was totally vaporized in Nemesis.
-Some folks theorize that the young girl is Lal. Might make sense that Picard thinks he must help her because he owes data.
-So theres TNG and Voy fan service. How about DS9?
-Anyone posted screencaps for detailed nit-picking yet?
-I think B4 looks like he does because this is what Data was always supposed to look like if 1980s makeup had allowed.
... and now we all know how dangerous Deep Fakes really are, because a lot of people actually cannot see the difference and even when the fake is exposed, they will believe the lie.
I've been offline for so long, but seeing this today brought me back. I can't wait.
No, they confirmed it was Data.
A little too perfectly so. She was abducted as a young girl and robbed of living. Nobody comes back from that pristine. Maybe this is part of the alleged 25% clause, changing her from a survivor that still has residual issues to a barfly. I'll have to see the episode in its entirety to believe it. And, again, Kelvin universe, it's not the one we saw in TNG. We were told DSC was in the same universe as 60s Kirk but it ended up not being the case...
But going back a post, "have you ever been a stranger to yourself?" A dig at Picard given his Locutus days, perhaps... can't think of a better way to reel in the TNG audiences, by using the Borg as a crutch. Heck, it'll have me watching and I'm skeptical over the overly-polished nature of the teaser.
just zoom in on this. I really don't think so
Looks like someone who's had too much to drink. Must be a recurring theme in this new show?
Actually, it's a decent make-up job. Lazy eye notwithstanding but let's say the emotion chip has decayed over the decades because there were impurities in the silicon that made the chip or whatever...
That was never a real thing.
Uh yes it did? DSC Season 1 and 2 both took place in the same universe as TOS and the rest of the TV series.
They even used original footage from The Cage in Season 2 as a previously on
Good to know. Can't wait for the show to start so we can enjoy and nitpick the show the way we do for everything else. But hopefully it'll be a little better with continuity, I do not believe that is unreasonable for fans to want to see after DSC...
In all seriousness, why do you care? Why would you care? That seems antithetical to th-- *cough*, best not to take that seriously. Are you worried about getting bored if I had but even I know less than 100% of my posts are outright complaints. Would be a boring world if everyone agreed and did everything the same way, no?
I think she's one of the Borg the Romulans were working on and she escaped.
There are Romulans throughout this trailer. The Guards in that Borg looking prison, throwing picard out of a Place, working on a body. Romulans messing with Borg tech was part of the ST09 Prime Universe backstory that Kurtzman worked on.
And even if DSC took place in an alternate timeline (which it doesn't), it couldn't be Kelvin-verse because the time lines don't match up.
Addressing your points:
- Well, the clip did show a dismantled android - presumably B4. Perhaps he needed to consult with Data (or at least what was imprinted on B4's positronic brain) over *insert plot point here*.
- While possible, I didn't make that particular connection watching the trailer.
- I suppose if The Borg are back in town it allows for Seven to fit into the scheme as an ex-drone. Not sure how I'd slot a DS9 character into this narrative? I'd rather DS9 return as a limited series in full HD glory and tell it's own story. It's stood the test of time and become increasingly popular and respected over the years ... wishful thinking, I know.
- I think Data looks fine given Brent Spiner has aged 32 years since he first played him.
Anyhoo... LOVED IT! Wedge in a self contained Q episode and I'll be in nerd nirvana.
Sela's daughter WOULD be cool!
How many more Soong androids are hiding? Lore was passable. Data's "mother" more or less worked. B4 pretty much shredded suspension of disbelief. It's not impossible but if the mystery woman is an android, per Soong, some deft handling would be needed. Otherwise they'll invent a time machine and let Dr Maddox have his way as Data stopped being a unique wonder a very long time ago. TNG wasn't about Data's family tree the way the Skywalkers was cobbled up for Star Wars I-IX.
An Augment (e.g. Khan, Bashir?) might be too fanwanky, too esoteric. Remember, these new shows are not designed predominately for old school fans but are trying to cultivate new fan audiences, being loose and fast at times with continuity while making their own canon. That in of itself isn't bad but it only gets more complex if not convoluted from that point. And being a sequel and not a prequel, there's less to have to fit in as neatly.
But this is the issue in general with theories. At least for me, if I think too much into something and it doesn't turn out that way, I end up disappointed. I think that's not atpyical of human nature in general, being led on or leading one's self on, or both.
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