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New Borg Origin Theory?

I did read the David Mack books, and while I did enjoy them, I don't really like that idea of how the Borg could have begun, because it involves human involvement, and that just seems too...coincidental.

Anyway, I always thought that the origin of the Borg was something very similar to the origin of the original Cybermen in Doctor Who.

I think Valykrie and Shawnster are on the right track. We *already* have the beginnings of humans upgrading themselves with computerized cybernetic implants...from limbs to brain implants. And now we have Elon Musk's project to develop a brain implant that could connect to a phone and the internet in 10 years.

And for almost a decade now we have had some scientists experimenting with putting "nano wires" in animal brains, and talking about something called the "World Wide Mind" (google it) were people can literally share uploaded and downloaded memories.

And in Discovery and in the Kelvinverse Trek, we see crew members augmented with cybernetic implants.

So likely, the Borg started out as a race - or group of races - who developed the same technology, and someone got the idea of perhaps connecting more than one person together into a collective consciousness...for whatever reason...maybe just as an "let's see what happens if we" experiment...and then something went wrong.

It could have been an accident, it could have been on purpose. It could have been someone with a nefarious intent, trying to control other members of their species...or by someone's misguided attempt at creating a unified peaceful utopia. It could have been done as a survival strategy (like the first Cybermen trying to survive the death of their world). It could just have been a glitch or a rogue mutated computer virus or a hacker with bad intent. It could have been done on purpose to make better soldier to fight a war. Or to just make better space explorers.

Why or how ever it happened, someone from a race that already used cybernetic enhancements on their minds and their bodies, decided to experiment with making a collective consciousness...for good or evil. And somehow this collective consciousness got out of control and became the Borg.

Though I think that the Borg's drive to assimilate may be a perverted version of the drive that the Federation has to learn and explore and absorb new members into the Federation. Kinda similar to how V'Ger's drive to learn and explore drove it to "storing" who worlds into it's "matrix" or whatever.*

Perhaps the Borg started out as some version of Von Nieuman machine that incorporated an organic component, meant to explore and learn...and it...mutated and became the Borg, and it's drive to make copies and learn and upgrade got out of control...?

*(I don't know if V'Ger downright assimilated/uploaded them or not, but it is strongly implied. But I don't think that the Machine Planet's civilization that upgraded Voyager 6 was the same as the Borg's civilization, because if the Bord had found Voyager 6 floating in space, they would have either ignored it as useless old tech...or they would have assimilated it into their own collective. I think. Either way, I would STILL love to revisit and explore that Machine Planet's society sometime...they are at least a Type 1 or 2 civilization on the Kardashev scale...)

Machine Planet = Isaac's People from Orville? :D

Wasn't the idea that the Machine Planet helped both V'ger AND the Borg, not that the Machine Planet is the current Borg? Progenitor of both, but without the corrupted mission statements.
 
I never got into Trek lit but I think if I did my attitude would be “If it’s good, it’s canon until contradicted”.

My own approach is somewhere between this and "enjoy it for what it is now, worry about where it fits into the canon bigger picture later".
 
We don't need to know the origin of the Borg. It isn't going to improve them as a villain and might make them worse.

Make it up in your head. I see them as a civilization that let cybernetics and AI get out of control.
 
We don't need to know the origin of the Borg. It isn't going to improve them as a villain and might make them worse.

That's crazy man...next you are going to say that they shouldn't ever show the Kessel Run in a Star Wars movie because it would just be a lame disappointment.
 
That would be lame actually, and who would care enough to want to see that?
 
I didn't go through the entire thread because it's a fantheory but has the following already been mentioned?

Maybe it's part of the Borg fascination that we don't know how the collective was born and created?
If we knew the Borg origins would it take some mystery out of the Borg that makes the Borg the threat it is?
It would be interesting to know how the Borg became the threat it is but it's also interesting to think how it might have happened.
 
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The origin of the Borg was certainly of interest to me, but I think my larger interest was always 'How the heck are Our Heroes going to survive them this time?'

One thing I liked about Destiny was that the Borg's origins were directly tied into how they were ultimately resolved.
 
I always thought of the Queen as an expert in insectoid behavior that somehow used that advantage to "flip" the assimilation somehow.
 
I’m sure many would disagree, but when it looked like Discovery second season was giving us a very plausible Borg origin, I was very satisfied. To be honest, it felt perfect. I still see it as a missed opportunity, in hindsight.
 
I’m sure many would disagree, but when it looked like Discovery second season was giving us a very plausible Borg origin, I was very satisfied. To be honest, it felt perfect. I still see it as a missed opportunity, in hindsight.

I was hoping for a dual time jump - the newly minted Borg King being sent *back* in time hundreds of years, the Discovery *staying hidden in the present* with maybe Ariam's memories and/or Sphere Data turning into the ship's new AI, and the crew ending up in the future, eventually reclaiming the now-sentient ship.
 
I was hoping for a dual time jump - the newly minted Borg King being sent *back* in time hundreds of years, the Discovery *staying hidden in the present* with maybe Ariam's memories and/or Sphere Data turning into the ship's new AI, and the crew ending up in the future, eventually reclaiming the now-sentient ship.

Yeah, it definitely felt like Control was going to go back in time, and eventually become the Borg. I would've been very happy with that.
 
The origin of the Borg, as they were presented in TNG is something that really interests me. I couldn't care less about that of the First Contact/Voyager Borg.
Wish the writers could retcon them into another species/collective.
 
I’m sure many would disagree, but when it looked like Discovery second season was giving us a very plausible Borg origin, I was very satisfied. To be honest, it felt perfect. I still see it as a missed opportunity, in hindsight.
FANDOM: If Control is Borg Origins we riot!:mad:

ALSO FANDOM: What a missed opportunity Control should have been Borg Origins.:sigh:
 
The Borg origins?

Somewhere in the delta quadrant a scientist and/or technician decided to try to connect two people together so they could work as one. Maybe the goal was to achieve more efficient communication?

Connection worked. The problem was that their own thoughts were hidden, they acted together too well, almost becoming one. When it was time to end the experiment something went wrong. The two minds had created a strong bond and it didn't want to be separated. That connection between the two was now sentient beign. It didn't want to disappear if the two minds were separated. It became a huge story in their homeworld. Press was all over it. Eventually the matter was taken into court. Should the two people connected be separated forcefully? That would mean the end of the lifeform they now formed together. Their families demanded that the two individuals should be released. The new creature, who now called itself Borg, didn't want that to happen. It had sophisticated software and was able to take control even if there were ways to prevent that. It had become too smart. During escaping it searched the entire database of its homeworld for something to help itself. It decided to prevent itself beign destroyed and added more people to itself, any people it could find, using the same tech that was used in connecting the two people originally. The security guards around it were the first. After that the guards started to add others to this new collective using the same tech. Fighting began. Army against "the Borg". After this new beign, the Borg, added people who had information about government security, the fight turned. The Borg spread, assimilating people everywhere. Eventually every single people were part of the Borg.

Over time the Borg was able to leave their planet and discovered faster that light travel. It had all the knowledge and experience of the entiee planet. Speed of technological advances were beyond anything that planet had experianced before. Then the Borg had their first contact with alien life forms. The Borg was treated as something new and interesting. Drones were moved to their planet for investigation. That's when the true galaxy conquest began, the Borg assimilated first alien creatures. Eventually the entire planet was assimilated like their own homeworld. Then the Borg just grew bigger and bigger........ And that's just the short version?
 
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