New animated show announced... Star Wars: Resistance
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Ugh. Poe Dameron is one of the least appealing characters in the entire saga to me, especially after his colossal displays of insubordinate stupidity in TLA.
Does that count?
I like him because he’s Oscar Issac and also because his best friend is BB-8.
Sure, but I wouldn't trust him to come up with a plan to go up to 7-11 to buy beer.
I only want him to dance.
Ooo, a new Star Wars series?
I like the blue sky, white clouds motif in the promo image. Maybe the tone might start out as cheerful despite the looming threat of the Fist Order.
In any case, might be a chance to see the life & functioning of the New Republic.
Hopefully it also gets us some cool new ships/ship toys.
I like the blue sky, white clouds motif in the promo image. Maybe the tone might start out as cheerful despite the looming threat of the Fist Order.
In any case, might be a chance to see the life & functioning of the New Republic.
Hopefully it also gets us some cool new ships/ship toys.
He would try to buy beer at a New Jersey 7-11...
Or in episode IX!
TFA Poe is cool, hyper-competent, loyal, friendly, open-minded, and trustworthy.
TLJ Poe is a treasonous, insubordinate, misogynist, Ambrose Burnside level incompetent, criminally negligent officer who gets everyone under his command killed, because failure is the greatest teacher and challenging expectations and other pseudo-deep stuff that TLJ didn't invent in the franchise but everyone acts like it did.
That five hour layover between films must have been a total drag for him to become a whole new person like that. Like, way worse than a five hour layover in Cleveland.
One could certainly lead to the other. Failure makes people do stupid, irrational things.
Though the Republic suffered a massive loss in TFA, Poe personally and the Resistance won a major victory, much like despite the loss of Alderaan and dissolution of the Senate, the Rebellion scored a major victory when Luke dunked on the Death Star. Poe's failure came about because he started acting like a jerkwad, he didn't become a jerkwad because of his failure.
In fact, that would go against the defining premise of the movie that failure is the best teacher if failure turned Poe into a nigh irredeemable dick.
In fact, that would go against the defining premise of the movie that failure is the best teacher if failure turned Poe into a nigh irredeemable dick.
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Poe's failure came about because he thought he knew best. Then he lost several under his command. I would expect him to react emotionally do that and lash out. Which, largely he did.
Just because the premise of the film is that failure is the best teacher doesn't mean everyone will learn the lesson right away. I saw it tying in to the larger themes just fine
There's no contradiction in Poe, he's just in different circumstances. Poe's confidence and other attributes that made him an effective fighter jockey in the first movie were the same attributes that made him less effective in a different context, one that required more nuanced and subtle thinking, one where cockiness and brashness were counterproductive. As long as he was just in his fighter-ace wheelhouse, he was fine, but when he tried to apply the same big-damn-hero mentality to a more complex and nuanced situation, he found out it was the wrong paradigm for that. The characters were the same, but their context changed -- just like The Empire Strikes Back put the original cast in a very different, more nuanced context than the first film did. Luke had to learn that charging in as a brash hothead to save the day was a mistake, and Poe had to learn essentially the same lesson.
One flaw I agree TLJ has is Poe's whole storyline. I kind of see how it fits within the context of the movie, with the whole subverting expectations here. We're used to the mutinous hothead being in the right and saving the day rather than blindly following orders that would have gotten everyone killed, and this time around the lesson learned is that sometimes authority figures actually do know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, it really doesn't work to have him turned into an ignorant hothead who enacts a plan which is largely responsible for the Resistance being cut down to the numbers it's at in the end.
Something I've wondered about, I remember rumours after TFA's release that Episode VIII would be undergoing re-writes to give Poe and Finn larger roles after Lucasfilm realized how popular the characters turned out to be. Is it possible the movie was originally only going to feature them in the climax and that their largely inconsequential subplot in the movie was hastily inserted in because of TFA's popularity and the popularity of those characters in particular?
Something I've wondered about, I remember rumours after TFA's release that Episode VIII would be undergoing re-writes to give Poe and Finn larger roles after Lucasfilm realized how popular the characters turned out to be. Is it possible the movie was originally only going to feature them in the climax and that their largely inconsequential subplot in the movie was hastily inserted in because of TFA's popularity and the popularity of those characters in particular?
In the original draft, Poe died at the beginning of VII when BB8 escapes with the Map to Luke, his story ended there and he wasn't captured by Kylo.
The only other thing I could add to that is, apparently the character of Rose was created specifically to act as a foil for Finn on his trip to Canto Bight because on the page, Finn and Poe got along together too well; no conflict made for boring scenes...
IIRC reading this around Christmas last year somewhere.
The only other thing I could add to that is, apparently the character of Rose was created specifically to act as a foil for Finn on his trip to Canto Bight because on the page, Finn and Poe got along together too well; no conflict made for boring scenes...
IIRC reading this around Christmas last year somewhere.
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Not exactly. Poe's arc was the same to a point: he got the map for Lor San Tekka, gave it to BB-8, got captured, was rescued by Finn and then is killed in the crash on Jakku. Oscar Isaac complained to JJ saying he played "that part" before and so they wrote him back into the third act, taking down the TIEs on Maz's world and destroying Starkiller.
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