Never noticed details in the Kelvinverse films

[F. King Daniel]

One of the people at Kirk's academy hearing in ST'09 is JT Esteban, who was already captain of the USS Grissom in 2258. Furthermore, he's significantly older than his Prime Universe counterpart will be 30 years later in Search For Spock!

It's stuff like this (see also: Chandra, Komack, Hendorf etc who are similarly "wrong") that makes me think Simon Pegg is right and the timelines were different prior to 2233.

 

[Timo]

Or then we're just seeing daddy here. Starfleet apparently runs in the family for heroes and sidekicks alike.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not sure if it's a speech bubble. It looks more like the outline tails off rather than closing, which could make sense for a Metro or Monorail or something, representing a circular line that plugs into a wider transit network.

This is the Metro symbol from the Fallout Universe:

 

[Khan 2.0]

Kirk's dress uniform insignia in Into Darkness was identical to the badge William Shatner wore at the start of The Motion Picture, and slightly different to what everyone else wore.

Indeed
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http://www.treknews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/star-trek-the-motion-picture-admiral-kirk.jpg

Also similar for Marcus/Pike (but no command star)
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[Terok Nor]

I read that Scotty Prime invented the transwarp transporter used in Star Trek 2009 and passed the information to Spock Prime.

Does that mean Spock and Scotty got reacquainted after Relics? It means Scotty is still active in the late 2380s. That's news to me!

 

[Paul Weaver]

Kelvin Scotty clearly was doing transwarp beaming trials early in his career. Perhaps it was proven unsafe (as with Bok's attempts 120 years later), but it was old Scotty who looked at the specs of bok's system (and maybe dominion systems) that filled in the missing piece - published a paper, which Spock read, and it was that information that Spock gave to Kelvin Scotty

I wonder how transparent aluminium was invented in the kelvin verse.

 

[Terok Nor]

I'm pretty excited about Spock at least knowing Scotty is still alive in the late 24th century.

 

[David cgc]

I wonder how transparent aluminium was invented in the kelvin verse.

Same way, I figure. Practically every time someone comes from the "future" to the "present" in Star Trek, their timeline is averted, so there's no law that says visits from the future have to be historically consistent on a going-forward basis. Scotty-Prime could still have given the formula for transparent aluminum in 1986 in the Kelvin Timeline, because in 1986, the Prime timeline was still a valid possible future. (This could also be a fun way for a game, novel, or comic to do a crossover between the Prime and Kelvin casts, have them both meet in their shared past. It'd be very weird, in a Sarah Connor Chronicles kind of way).

 

[F. King Daniel]

I wonder how transparent aluminium was invented in the kelvin verse.

Elon Musk.

No wait, that's the DISCOverse.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Named Kelvin universe background characters and their TOS counterparts:

 

[pst]

Named Kelvin universe background characters and their TOS counterparts:

you don’t take these too seriously though, do you? the names on the signs are just easter eggs.

 

[F. King Daniel]

you don’t take these too seriously though, do you? the names on the signs are just easter eggs.

I guess it's up to the viewer. I know Simon Pegg and Doug Jung made a list of TOS background characters and used them in scenes with extras. Although nothing naming them made it to the final cut, the two upside-down people Krall vamps in Beyond were supposed to be the couple who were getting married in "Balance of Terror". Finnegan was named at the request of Greg Grunberg. One of the blonde women was Mira Romaine, but the scene naming her was cut. The USS Stargazer NCC-2893 was docked at Yorktown and is mentioned in the background chatter when the Enterprise crew disembark, decades before the ship was built in the prime universe.

If one does choose to take these background names seriously, it pretty much outs the idea that the timelines split in 2233 in favour of Simon Pegg's interpretation of a split at the dawn of time (i.e. it's a full-on reboot) due to the wildly different ages and races of the characters. I love background details like the academy name plaques, and think it's fun to think about at the very least.

 

[pst]

If one does choose to take these background names seriously, it pretty much outs the idea that the timelines split in 2233 in favour of Simon Pegg's interpretation of a split at the dawn of time (i.e. it's a full-on reboot) due to the wildly different ages and races of the characters. I love background details like the academy name plaques, and think it's fun to think about at the very least.

i mean, you know i'm the second the biggest advocate for that theory on here. i love the little references but i don't take the in-jokes seriously, despite the fact that memory-alpha thinks everything is literal.

 

[Timo]

...What is "wildly different" save for Esteban's age, though? Some of the faces above are amusingly good matches.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

...What is "wildly different" save for Esteban's age, though? Some of the faces above are amusingly good matches.

Timo Saloniemi

Chandra going from Indian to Asian? That's the Khan going from [Mexican/Indian/Whatever] to white British of background people.

 

[Timo]

...That's like saying that Smith going from man to woman ought to be disagreeable. "Chandra" probably covers about a twentieth of the population of Earth today, so we don't need to believe in these two being the same character. "Hendorf" is a bit different.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

...That's like saying that Smith going from man to woman ought to be disagreeable. "Chandra" probably covers about a twentieth of the population of Earth today, so we don't need to believe in these two being the same character. "Hendorf" is a bit different.

Timo Saloniemi

Obviously, the name plaque was intended as a reference just as all the others were. Perhaps JJ Abrams sat random extras down in the chairs with no care who sat where and no knowledge of the previous named characters, but as said above it's fun to think about the in-universe consequences.

 

[Timo]

Indeed - and it just seems that those are divided into "Hey, that's a great match!", "Must be his dad" and "Hmph, a different person altogether" rather unevenly, with the emphasis on the first one.

Of the main heroes, Chekov is the "character born differently", explicitly after 2233, while Uhura and Kirk seem to be the "characters raised differently", and Khan is sort of "character woken up differently" at most. The background egg folks barely register, even in these categories. So, are there consequences, other than those making it into movie main plots?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Terok Nor]

I never got how Chekov could be the same person in two different realities if they were born at different times. Surely whatever sperm made it to Prime Chekov's mom's egg is a different one to Kelvin Chekov's just based on biology alone.

 

[Timo]

But why would he need to be the same person? (I think Ivan and Natasha just named their two sons the other way around, and Pyotr got the approximate body originally reserved for Pavel. And again got killed by Klingons. The bastards!)

Anybody younger than Kirk is free game for being genetically different, which is why the more radically different looks of, say, Uhura and Sulu don't bother me much. Might be their sexual identities are genetically predisposed to be different, too. Or their tastes when it comes to choosing a profession within Starfleet (as often discussed, linguistics appear a Kelvin Uhura phenomenon exclusively, while physics did not seem to interest the Kelvin Sulu much).

Timo Saloniemi