"Chekov doesn't have a brother"
- Sulu, "Day Of The Dove".
If all the characters post Kirk are genetically different then we're not actually seeing Kelvin Counterparts of the Prime crew. That defeats the entire premise of the Kelvin movies.
Never noticed details in the Kelvinverse films
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"Chekov doesn't have a brother"
- Sulu, "Day Of The Dove".
If all the characters post Kirk are genetically different then we're not actually seeing Kelvin Counterparts of the Prime crew. That defeats the entire premise of the Kelvin movies.
How so? We aren't seeing the same ship, either. We're still seeing the adventures of Kirk and the Enterprise.
Fixed the attribution for you...
Timo Saloniemi
Fixed the attribution for you...
Timo Saloniemi
A piece of technology is vastly different to a person. The original Enterprise was refitted in The Motion Picture. It was barely the same ship at that point. The Kelvin Enterprise is just another version of the same premise.
I don't think that can or should be said for flesh and blood characters. Why use a picture of the cast from Star Trek V in Beyond if most of these people are supposed to be different individuals? Kelvin Spock would have had no idea who Prime Chekov and Prime Uhura are in the photo if that's the case. That undermines the scene.
I don't think that can or should be said for flesh and blood characters. Why use a picture of the cast from Star Trek V in Beyond if most of these people are supposed to be different individuals? Kelvin Spock would have had no idea who Prime Chekov and Prime Uhura are in the photo if that's the case. That undermines the scene.
Probably not in the Trek context. Not only is the Enterprise often described as "a character", she has a voice for dialogue, too!
Indeed, and the premise works fine. New versions of characters, live or otherwise, can fill the boots of original or older versions, as long as the story format goes on. Which is what happened with the transition to TNG, too.
But the individuals would be different even if identical. The whole point of the movies is to show the individuals living different lives, after all (as we really wouldn't wish to sit down to watch Wrath of Khan all over again, say). The photo, blatantly showing different people on each and every count, drives home the point of them ultimately being the same - of being worthy of our attention, and that of our heroes, even if the only feeble link there is Prime Spock and his Old Picture Out Of This World and the accompanying outlandish story.
Timo Saloniemi
Maybe he has a half-brother! You know, just trying to keep up with the Vulcans...
Only child according to Sulu.
And brother to Pyotr according to the man himself. So which one is wrong?
Now, Sulu might just be in innocent error. But the episode features out heroes quoting Nazi platitudes as if they believed in them, accusing each other of this and that, and accepting the basic premise of a massacre that probably never took place. They are being influenced to think wrong, to create maximum strife.
What creates more strife, claiming that Chekov has a brother, or claiming he does not? Chekov is marching to battle anyway, just like all the other heroes. But with Sulu contradicting him, extra strife is created, and the beast rejoices...
Timo Saloniemi
Now, Sulu might just be in innocent error. But the episode features out heroes quoting Nazi platitudes as if they believed in them, accusing each other of this and that, and accepting the basic premise of a massacre that probably never took place. They are being influenced to think wrong, to create maximum strife.
What creates more strife, claiming that Chekov has a brother, or claiming he does not? Chekov is marching to battle anyway, just like all the other heroes. But with Sulu contradicting him, extra strife is created, and the beast rejoices...
Timo Saloniemi
It gets more complicated, the Kelvin crew have different birthdates too.
That's why I tend to think of it these days as them being the same characters in the same way Tom Welling and Henry Cavill are Clark Kent, rather than the exact same person changed slightly by one event in 2233.
It's blatantly obvious in the episide Chekov is delusional. I completely disagree with all your observations on the points we've discussed but I'll agree to disagree.
Nowhere near close enough to be a ripoff.Anyone else think the Section 31 uniforms (a covert agency with a uniform, so stupid) are a nod/rip-off of the uniforms in 1956's Forbidden Planet?
If indeed it's a nod to the FP uniforms, then there may be an even bigger nod in it to the uniforms worn by TOS Klingons. I'd say DS9's Bajoran militia uniforms were a lot closer to the FP uniforms than what beefy Sec 31/Vengeance security guy* is wearing.
* ("Uniformed mercenary," according to the credits — didn't realize until just now that the actor who played him died in early 2016.)
While a top secret group having a special uniform is silly, the Into Darkness ones look a lot more comfortable than the all-leather getups the DS9/ENT 31's wore.
Admiral Marcus wears the uniform as well.
So he does, but it's not greatly reminding me of the FP uniforms on him, either. There's a vague similarity in some details, sure, but that's all I'm seeing.
I very much doubt those uniforms were from the actual super-secretive organization. The dialogue suggests mercenaries, who would insist on uniforms and pomp and decor. And Marcus would no doubt appease the apes by wearing what they're wearing, much like any Bond villain manipulating a criminal organization to his own, higher-level-nefarious goals.
In any case, this look with "a shirt pushing out from under a jacket" is traditional generic sailor, today perhaps best preserved in the Russian tradition. The horizontal stripes are a classic at any rate.
Timo Saloniemi
In any case, this look with "a shirt pushing out from under a jacket" is traditional generic sailor, today perhaps best preserved in the Russian tradition. The horizontal stripes are a classic at any rate.
Timo Saloniemi
Perhaps they were hired from a private security company that already has their own uniforms.
i just always assumed different ships or different ship groups have their own uniform styles.
speaking of details, did we ever notice that the pattern on the vengeance uniforms is repeated in the flooring of the set?
i just always assumed different ships or different ship groups have their own uniform styles.
speaking of details, did we ever notice that the pattern on the vengeance uniforms is repeated in the flooring of the set?
So the uniforms are definetly paired with the ship.
That's why those two guys are floating around outside the viewscreen.
No uniform, no entry.
