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Nemesis: Why the bad rap?

Manticore said:
Peach Wookiee said:
nx1701g said:
Peach Wookiee said:
Vampires?

The designs of the Remans were based on Nosterafu.
I've seen and heard it before... I just still think it's a bit silly... Suddenly, I have a mental image of the crew equipped with something that shoots wooden stakes and garlic... :cardie:
Star Trek: The Vampire Slayer.
Seven has to be Buffy... :D
 
J. Allen said:
I saw Nemesis in theaters and that really enhanced the experience for me. It was the first Star Trek movie I had ever viewed on the big screen. However, each re-watching of the movie has resulted in a distaste for the style and overall plot. I can watch Star Trek V: The Final Frontier and get something good out of it every time. Not so with Nemesis.


J.

Wow, I think my first Trek film on the big screen Was The Undiscovered Country. Then I saw Generations, First Contact, skipped Insurrection (because of the odd-numbered theory), and Nemesis. If I have the money, I probably will go see Trek 11 even though it maybe crappy, just because it's a Star Trek film. Unless if I'm still with my girlfriend at the time, and she doesn't want me to go, then I guess I'll be missing that one, too :)
 
AJBryant said:
Heh. My first Trek movie WAS the first Trek movie.

Mine, too.

I am old.

Me, too! It's great having so much history. I remember when a Trek viewing marathon consisted of the first 4 movies! (Or as they were in those days - all 4 movies!) :lol:
 
I remember as a kid asking my parents if I could stay up late one night to "see the show about the guy with pointed ears" -- and we agreed I could stay up to see him. Everytime Spock came on the screen, I'd turn away so I wouldn't have to go to bed. :)

Tony
 
nx1701g said:
The designs of the Remans were based on Nosterafu.

Yep, I believe the reference to Nosferatu: Symphonie Des Grauens was even specifed in Logan's script. The design is very similar, for those who haven't seen the film - a bald head, pointed ears, long fingernails, generally grotesque appearance. Sufficeth to say, though, Count Orlock was way cooler than the Viceroy. ;)

Actually, that idea was one of my favourite in the film, though, in a sense, it was part of the film's cop-out: It's not a film where the Romulans are the badguys, really it's these vampire men. No, wait, actually really it's this clone doppelganger. It doesn't help that making your villains looking like grotesque vampires doesn't exactly make them very nuanced - in the end, the Remans are basically orcs, a bunch of monstrous slimy thugs doing the dirty work of an imported British actor. And I liked Christopher Lee better...

I think the wedding scene was okay if a little cringe-worthy, it was pretty much saved by the final line: Worf irritatedly mumbling 'Irving Berlin' before passing out. Yes, I liked his Gilbert & Sullivan gag in the previous film too, so sue me.

After that shaky start, though, the film went south real fast with the buggy scene, where Picard acts recklessly out of character just for the hell of it. The film never really recovers from that moment... threadbare characterisations, an incoherent plot, an overly campy villain: Even the best efforts of Stewart (and a lot of them are pretty good, as in his discussion with Shinzon) simply couldn't save the movie.

And the score, gaaaah.... most of it is either note-for-note from TMP, or lamely techno, and uninspired. I am looking forward to Giacchino's score for the next film, which, I hope, will be the best we've had since Eidelmann's TUC score. :)
 
I still watch it, but yeah. As a film it was meh, many of the plotholes (that have been covered to death) felt slapped on and poorly 'welded' into place.

For the money and the history of the characters involved. The powers that be should've provided us with a much better story not so riddled with plotholes.

The dune buggy, the clone, the andriod clone :p

I did like the wedding scene (*sighs* Wesley ...I know I know)

I did like the modifications to the Ent-E which explains the new decks (though harldy the death star sized drop from say deck 24 ?)

I liked the mention of the nosfe...um..Remans fighting in the Domonion War and I still got a little chill from Picards echoing 'Battlestations'

I would've prefered the main villain to be a romulan and the final battle should've had the FED fleet standing by arrive (They really need to keep those long ranged subspace radios ON when preparing to engage an enemy :p) with the Roms (please in the future bring more than 2 ships guys :p)

The fight was fun to look at but was really slapped together in my opinion

Can I watch it? yes

Is it entertaining? Marginally but I really shouldn't be making the mental corrections (like mentally seeing the text '72 hours later' appear as the ENT-E arrives to join the BORG battle in FC...hey they didnt just get there in a few mins from the Neutral Zone :p...atleast in my head they didnt :)) Doing it a few times (like FC..well a very few times in that one) is okies. Doing it too much (like In NEM) ....is too much work the writers should've done first!

Vons
 
Kegek said:
Yep, I believe the reference to Nosferatu: Symphonie Des Grauens was even specifed in Logan's script.
Yes, in the cut scene where Donatra and Suran meet with Shinzon in the Senate chamber (after Picard and Data's cut scene where they discuss the wedding).

Donatra and Suran stop.
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And the VICEROY steps from the shadows.
.
He is a terrifying sight. A powerful, monstrous alien creature; a tall, ashen-skinned ectomorph who bears a disturbing resemblance to the original Nosferatu. He is vampiric and lethal. He is a Reman.
 
Love Nemesis. Probably my favorite TNG movie. That and First Contact, but FC had that still-to-be unfinished Enterprise E in it, and that was a big turn off to me. We didn't actually get to see that marvelous ship in its truly completed form until Nemesis. That was actually a major deciding factor in my opinion of this wonderful movie.
 
Yep. As soon as a previously unseen, unheard race appears within a majorly explored group like the Romulans, you know you're looking at shark bait.

As soon as Picard went driving, the shark was well and truely jumped.

Then it got worse, with shuttles flying inside bigger ships and the Enterprise ramming the Scimatar.

Really, what is there to like? Besides Janeways cameo.
 
^ Actually, "Jumping the shark" refers to a creative property reaching its apex, after which all subsequent installments seem less impressive than before.

Star Trek arguably jumped the shark at some time in its first season.
 
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