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Nemesis Clones

That scene would have been a terrific addition to the movie - if not for the specific content, then for the fact that Shinzon is seen ruling, presiding over the government he previously helped topple. The Senate Chambers set gets worthy mileage here, and this is probably the only time in canon where the duality of the Star Empire and its famous symbol is commented on...

It sort of makes sense that Shinzon would have sold his rule on the promise of destroying Earth, and that Romulus would have bought. 90% of the Senate would have been against this, but there would always be that 10% of nutcases there who would have the means of unleashing this Spartacus upon their political enemies. And having the big ship built for his needs, and being stupid enough to trust the backdoors and failsafes they no doubt installed there.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I had a look at the scene in the 2-DVD release, where it is preceded by Baird talking about why it was cut. His point is that this scene occurs before Shinzon and Picard meet, which undercuts the dramatic reveal of that later scene. I would also say that the only thing that really happens in the scene is Shinzon saying "I have an evil plan", which I think undermines how Shinzon's motives are mysterious to Picard until Shinzon finally attacks.

I've looked through the transcript of the movie for other indication of Shinzon's motivation, and found these quotes:

DATA: Starfleet intelligence was only able to provide a partial account of his military record. We can infer he is relatively young and a capable commander. He fought twelve major engagements in the war. All successful.

PICARD: You're doing this to liberate the Remans.
SHINZON: That is the single thought behind everything I have done. From building the Scimitar at a secret base to assembling my army. Finally coming to Romulus in force. I knew they would never give us our freedom. I would have to take it!

PICARD: What is all this about?
SHINZON: It's about destiny, Picard. It's about a Reman outcast...
PICARD: You're not Reman.
SHINZON: And I'm not quite human. So what am I? My life is meaningless as long as you're still alive. What am I while you exist? A shadow? An echo?
PICARD: If your issues are with me then deal with me. This has nothing to do with my ship. Nothing to do with the Federation.
SHINZON: Oh, but it does. We will no longer bow before anyone as slaves. Not the Romulans and not your mighty Federation. We ...are a race bred for war. And conquest.

SHINZON: I'll show you my true nature. Our nature. And as Earth dies, remember that I will always, forever, be Shinzon of Remus! And my voice shall echo through time long after yours has faded to the dim memory.

SHINZON: Some ideals are worth dying for, aren't they, Jean Luc?​

It's all very vague, but there is a sense that Shinzon has been bred to be a warrior, and sees being a great warrior as a way to vindicate and free his people.
It is a shame that his motivations are vague, but I don't think there's anything actually contradictory in it, and it's interesting to speculate on all the things the movie didn't make explicit.
 

PICARD: What is all this about?
SHINZON: It's about destiny, Picard. It's about a Reman outcast...
PICARD: You're not Reman.
SHINZON: And I'm not quite human. So what am I? My life is meaningless as long as you're still alive. What am I while you exist? A shadow? An echo?
PICARD: If your issues are with me then deal with me. This has nothing to do with my ship. Nothing to do with the Federation.
SHINZON: Oh, but it does. We will no longer bow before anyone as slaves. Not the Romulans and not your mighty Federation. We ...are a race bred for war. And conquest.

SHINZON: I'll show you my true nature. Our nature. And as Earth dies, remember that I will always, forever, be Shinzon of Remus! And my voice shall echo through time long after yours has faded to the dim memory.


See, I'm still not buying Shinzon's motivations here. Based on these comments (and Shinzon's actions in the film), IMHO he doesn't really give a crap about the Federation. Yeah, he'll attack it because it makes him look tough, but who does he really want to look tough for? Well...for Picard. Because that's who Shinzon really hates. Every single one of his actions in this movie is to show that he's better than Picard. He says he's doing things for the Remans, but he's really not. He says he wants to destroy the Federation, but he really doesn't. He's just in a dick-measuring contest with the guy that he feels got all the breaks that he didn't.​
 
It's all the worse for all of Shinzon's antics being "motivation-based" rather than "evil-plan-based" or otherwise "plot-based". The other characters or the events don't influence his actions or force his choices much. For the villains, he's the Big Boss so he gets to decide. As for abstract events, the Reman rebellion remains completely off screen, the cloning story goes nowhere, and even his impending death fails to make him take the necessary action. And the heroes either fail to even try and manipulate him, or then try something (Troi's telepathic targeting, Picard's "I have him right where I want him") that has zero plot significance (targeted or not, the Scimitar is invincible; the psychology of the ramming makes no sense or difference).

So it's all up to Shinzon. He decides to let Picard wait, he decides to toy with Troi, he decides not to get Picard's blood in time, he decides to destroy Earth, he chooses to intercept Picard inside a nebula... A string of seemingly stupid decisions there, and sadly we never get a reason to think there's more to it than seems. Worse still, we don't even get a nice revelation that Shinzon simply is stupid. Surely there are only two ways to build a plausible villain character - having him do what the audience would do in his place, or having him do something completely insane and then reveal it made perfect sense after all. Even if this "perfect sense" comes from him being insane, or dying of a strange disease, or secretly a neo-Nazi, or actually a girl, or whatever.

In short, compare to either of the Khans, or to Kruge, Chang or even the Whale Probe. Just a hint of a "perfect sense" motivation suffices. Aimless wandering and self-contradicting speeches don't.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It was never stated exactly when or how the Romulans secured the genetic sample of Picard to clone, and in DS9 we have seen that clones don't need years to develop and grow (some can become sentient beings within days). So what was the Romulan plot? Did the get the samples of Picard onboard the E-D somehow? Or was it before then, maybe when he was still in command of the Stargazer? Or was it a plan the Romulans had been hatching for years, collecting a sample of a random officer with every intention of replacing them in a few years with the clone, to have their operative rise through the ranks?

Granted the last may be a stretch of the imagination, but weirded things have happened. It would just be coincidental that Picard would go on to have such a prominent career (unless the Romulans used an intricate selection process to find someone destined for great things).

Had they selected someone randomly, what if "Shinzon" was actually someone important from Picard's past (my thinking was Jack Crusher), whose death resulted in the plan being scrapped and the clone dumped on Remus. Would Picard facing off against the face of his late best friend have made for more impact (not to mention an actual storyline for Beverly in a TNG movie!)?
The whole idea of Shinzon was dumb when you think about it. Replacing Picard with a doppelganger and Romulans gaining access to Picard's DNA in the first place, is the least if the problems. My problem is when the Romulans decided they weren't going through with the plot, why didn't they just kill Shinzon then and there. Why send him to Remus so he could be abused for however long he was there, just so he could plot his revenge.
 
Well, why not? They spared themselves a round of disruptor ammo, gained a slave worker, and had the option of reversing their decision when the next palace coup was effected.

It's not as if "plotting revenge" would be an issue: anybody trapped on Remus would only become a threat if deliberately allowed to. A slave rebellion every now and then is probably just as usual and welcome as all the palace coups, and there's an endless need for suitable Spartaci for those. The conspirators just went a bit overboard with giving Shinzon such a big galley...

Timo Saloniemi
 
There's a pronounced Romulan antipathy against the Federation. We see that with attitudes displayed with Geordi stuck on the planet, we see it with the Romulan Senator on DS9. Shinzon himself has a complex pathology given that he's a duplicate of Picard. He wants to take him out of the picture but can't necessarily admit he wants this - nor admit he needs him - as Picard's material is needed to keep Shinzon ticking over. So a way of self maintenance is to conquer the Federation. Quite a little adventure just because you have dizzy spells and can't quite admit it, eh? ha, ha.

Shinzon and the Remans are a tiny minority very vulnerable to Romulan counter-coup. They've got the Scimitar to lean on but that's only one ship. A way of establishing uncontested and indefinite rule for the Shinzon regime is a spectacular victory against their big rivals - the Feds. Crush the Feds, uncontested galactic supremacy has been won and a towering permanency is given to the Shinzon regime.

The problem I suppose I have with all of this is why Shinzon? He seems to be a flakey clone not particularly robust and someone who needs the Remans to even keep standing. Why don't the Remans themselves take charge; given they've even got superior powers than even their Romulan ex-masters?

How did they get hold of a piece of kit like the Scimitar which seems capable of obliterating anything else in the near galaxy at a canter? Suddenly, surely, everyone else's fleet is now moot, given how powerful this ship is? And all it took was a motley crew of rebels to construct it.

There's messiness all over Trek like this though. Even with Trek that's held in high esteem. It's stuff that might be tidied up , sure, but I don't hold it against this movie either.
 
As for abstract events, the Reman rebellion remains completely off screen, the cloning story goes nowhere, and even his impending death fails to make him take the necessary action. And the heroes either fail to even try and manipulate him, or then try something (Troi's telepathic targeting, Picard's "I have him right where I want him") that has zero plot significance (targeted or not, the Scimitar is invincible; the psychology of the ramming makes no sense or difference).
We see the assassination of the Romulan senate, and it's obvious Shinzon has seized power in alliance with a Romulan political faction. We don't really need to see the nitty gritty of how that went down, because it's not what the story's about.
Same with the cloning. What's important is Shinzon's existence, not the details of the cloning program.
Shinzon did take action against his impending death - that's why he kidnapped Picard, after all. It was after this plan failed that Shinzon became suicidally reckless.
Picard did try to "manipulate" Shinzon by appealing to his human side, and pointing to himself as a positive role model.
Ramming the Scimitar made sense because the Enterprise was out of options.
So it's all up to Shinzon. He decides to let Picard wait, he decides to toy with Troi, he decides not to get Picard's blood in time, he decides to destroy Earth, he chooses to intercept Picard inside a nebula...
His toying with Picard et al. does seem like a waste of time, but attacking within the nebula was a smart decision.
Why don't the Remans themselves take charge; given they've even got superior powers than even their Romulan ex-masters?
That is a good question. Maybe it's because Shinzon is such a great leader, or because Remans have been bred to be servile. (In genre fiction, this is a problem with loyal goons in general, that they stay obedient to villains who are going to get them killed.)
How did they get hold of a piece of kit like the Scimitar which seems capable of obliterating anything else in the near galaxy at a canter? ... And all it took was a motley crew of rebels to construct it.
I don't think it was constructed in secret by the rebels. Remember, Shinzon was a respected commander in the Romulan fleet. The ship was built for the Romulan fleet, they gave Shinzon its command, and then he used it to seize power.
 
I don't think it was constructed in secret by the rebels. Remember, Shinzon was a respected commander in the Romulan fleet. The ship was built for the Romulan fleet, they gave Shinzon its command, and then he used it to seize power.

I'm not sure what purpose it would serve to lie to Picard about where he got his ship. Whether it truly was constructed at a secret base by the Remans, or was a Romulan ship given to him by his superiors during the war, really makes no difference.
 
I'm not sure what purpose it would serve to lie to Picard about where he got his ship.
It is true that we shouldn't really take anything Shinzon tells Picard at face value. He says he built the Scimitar "at a secret base", but we don't know if that's true. He may just be trying to portray himself to Picard as a freedom fighter, to get into Picard's good books.
If Shinzon was responsible for building the ship, we don't know if it was built under the aegis of the Romulan fleet, or built by Shinzon diverting resources he had access to as commander. Since he had Romulan allies in his coup, they probably had at least some idea what Shinzon was doing. And remember, the Scimitar's weapon uses the same tech as that which was used to assassinate the senate.
Whether it truly was constructed at a secret base by the Remans, or was a Romulan ship given to him by his superiors during the war, really makes no difference.
Then why bring it up in the first place? :lol:
 
I don't think it was constructed in secret by the rebels. Remember, Shinzon was a respected commander in the Romulan fleet. The ship was built for the Romulan fleet, they gave Shinzon its command, and then he used it to seize power.
He may build a ship. Even a super weapon. But not a ship that renders everything in the known galaxy moot. Not just a couple of short years after the DW. They overwrote that just a bit.

I don't think the Romulans simply flat out gave him a ship like that, lol. They may have given him some bit of kit to work on and the Remans went off to do their own thing. But not a ship that has every other known fleet rendered moot.

But who knows? Maybe the Remans and the humans connect in some way that gives them super-duper creative skills and that's why they kept Shinzon on to lead the show. They got "chemistry" as it were. That's about the best I can extract from that.
 
It is true that we shouldn't really take anything Shinzon tells Picard at face value. He says he built the Scimitar "at a secret base", but we don't know if that's true. He may just be trying to portray himself to Picard as a freedom fighter, to get into Picard's good books.
If Shinzon was responsible for building the ship, we don't know if it was built under the aegis of the Romulan fleet, or built by Shinzon diverting resources he had access to as commander. Since he had Romulan allies in his coup, they probably had at least some idea what Shinzon was doing. And remember, the Scimitar's weapon uses the same tech as that which was used to assassinate the senate.

I would much prefer that the Scimitar and all her Scorpion fighters were actually Romulan ships despite looking nothing like Romulan ships, if only because Shinzon's "secret Reman base" story makes no sense. I suppose it's possible that during the war Shinzon could have smuggled a bunch of slaves to some base somewhere, but where would he get the raw material to have them build a ship like the Scimitar? Unless the Dominion was helping him too, but Shinzon never mentions that.

Then why bring it up in the first place? :lol:

Because Shinzon was explaining to Picard how he was able to do everything he did, and the Scimitar was part of that explanation.
 
He constructs the base with Romulan help. Shinzon promises a better warbird. No game-changer but a better ship. What happens is that he comes out with that lunatic ship that makes every ship look as fierce as the most trifling escape pod. ;)
 
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The use of Thaleron radiation reminds me of that earlier war that involved "primitive atomic weapons". Maybe the Romulans have a thing for doomsday weapons that use dangerous radiation?

(We need a "thoughtful" emoticon.)
 
We see the assassination of the Romulan senate, and it's obvious Shinzon has seized power in alliance with a Romulan political faction. We don't really need to see the nitty gritty of how that went down, because it's not what the story's about. Same with the cloning. What's important is Shinzon's existence, not the details of the cloning program.

But those details would be vital in establishing why these things dictate a specific course of action for Shinzon. If we are free to just take our own interpretation of what happened (as is good and well in most cases), there is no dictation there, and the reasons for Shinzon's actions and inactions must come from Shinzon himself.

Say, somebody kills the Senators and the Praetor. Then we learn Shinzon is the new Praetor. What happened? Did Shinzon wait till the thalaron dust cleared, then beam in and say "I did this - behold, and kneel!". Or did the two Fleet goons and Tal'Aura rub their hands together, then say "Should we call down our puppet now?", nod and wink, and pull out the PADD that would prompt Shinzon to say what he was expected to?

Either way would be telling. And dramatically bad at this early stage of the game. But we should learn eventually, to understand what makes Shinzon tick - much the way we finally learn what makes his face tick.

Shinzon did take action against his impending death - that's why he kidnapped Picard, after all. It was after this plan failed that Shinzon became suicidally reckless.

But the thing is, we get no rationale for why Shinzon does not take that action as a matter of priority. He stalls at every stage, even after finally getting Picard kidnapped. Indeed, Viceroy has to drag him to the treatment, just after the nick of time.

There could be many reasons there for the stalling. Perhaps Shinzon doesn't want to see Picard dead after all. Perhaps he fears what the life-saving treatment will do to his own body or psyche. All sorts of things could be hinted at - but the writers fail to do the hinting, in a situation where the internal motivations of the villain are paramount and the plot circumstances are of no help to the audience.

Ramming the Scimitar made sense because the Enterprise was out of options.

It's the psychology of the situation that is a complete waste of time and dialogue. Picard rams; the supposedly important fact that he "understands Shinzon" plays zero role there.

His toying with Picard et al. does seem like a waste of time, but attacking within the nebula was a smart decision.

How so? It offers him no advantage whatsoever. Picard has already communicated everything he can to Starfleet. The reinforcements won't be delayed in the slightest by taking the fight into the nebula - they know the course of the E-E, and have been told to wait (supposedly because crossing the border on any pretense would be much worse for Earth and the UFP than letting Picard die).

All that Shinzon achieves by waiting until the Bassen Rift is yet another delay in his quest to kill Picard and save his own life. Which is such a major theme in his actions that it really should get some sort of an explanation.

That is a good question. Maybe it's because Shinzon is such a great leader, or because Remans have been bred to be servile. (In genre fiction, this is a problem with loyal goons in general, that they stay obedient to villains who are going to get them killed.)

Has anything actually changed for the Remans? They are supposedly let to bear arms and wander about the galaxy often enough (the "shock troops" thing), yet that doesn't give them the power to dictate their own destiny. There would appear to be mechanisms in place to stop an armed rebellion, and those might work no matter who is in command of the Remans.

For all we know, the slave mines still operate, only with a few Remans now replacing the few Romulans as the whip-wielders, while sprouting propaganda that the slaves now "work for their own good" and "are free" and whatnot. The men of Spartacus still had to row their galley...

I don't think it was constructed in secret by the rebels. Remember, Shinzon was a respected commander in the Romulan fleet. The ship was built for the Romulan fleet, they gave Shinzon its command, and then he used it to seize power.

Indeed - a "secret base" would be a given as Romulan bases go (heck, the heroes spelled out for us that Remus is full of secret weapons factories), and would tell us nothing about who was holding secrets from whom. The actual point of interest here is the timeline...

The rebels might well have dutifully built the ship first, as meek and faithful slaves, and become rebels only after that, hijacking the ship and prompting a Romulan political faction to take advantage and sign a deal with them. Or the conspiring Romulans might have ordered the building in order to create the circumstances for a plausible slave rebellion they could exploit. In the latter case at least, the Romulans would have been in a position to choose the weakest possible Spartacus, the one they could control the best - and obviously they would choose the one with the weak human blood in him.

These are plot twists we don't need spelled out for us. It's Shinzon's personal whims that call for justification, and they don't seem to be dictated by the fact that he's a Romulan tool (this would limit his options all right), or by the fact that he's leading Remans (this would limit him even worse - how to please the crowd and remain in control?). They are just whims.

The use of Thaleron radiation reminds me of that earlier war that involved "primitive atomic weapons". Maybe the Romulans have a thing for doomsday weapons that use dangerous radiation?

Indeed. We could argue the Romulans see themselves as the perpetual underdogs, and therefore are in the habit of grasping at very sharp straws. They don't believe in frontal attacks (except when they can outsource them to their enemies or their slaves), but they do believe in the use of excessive decisive force at low personal risk.

Nothing in the plot as such suggests that thalaron would have been a Shinzon thing, or a Reman thing. It's a common-knowledge thing that just happens to be wielded by Shinzon, perhaps at the behest of his true masters.

Although the novels would have us think otherwise, and their take is halfway plausible, too. Shinzon grabs power (by whichever means), and (thanks to his new Praetorial powers or his ruthless military cunning, pick your novel) gains access to some of the secret vaults of dirty things that the Star Empire naturally has everywhere. The vaults contain the secrets of thalaron, the full dirt on the cloning project, and possibly also the failed attempt at building a copy of a Soongian android... And Shinzon, that old warhammer, sees a bunch of nails and starts banging together a plan. It may seem harebrained, but only because it utilizes the specific elements he has access to!

Timo Saloniemi
 
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It's the psychology of the situation that is a complete waste of time and dialogue. Picard rams; the supposedly important fact that he "understands Shinzon" plays zero role there.
Well, Shinzon doesn't think Picard is going to ram, hence he parks his ship right in front of Enterprise. Shinzon does this because he thinks Picard is a complacent Federationista who will surrender when things look bad, Picard realises this, and realises Shinzon has opened himself to attack.
In fact, Shinzon's mistake is thinking that Picard is not like him, ready to take extreme measures in the face of death. Shinzon pulling himself along the spike is directly analogous to Picard ramming the Scimitar.
How so? It offers him no advantage whatsoever. Picard has already communicated everything he can to Starfleet. The reinforcements won't be delayed in the slightest by taking the fight into the nebula - they know the course of the E-E, and have been told to wait
Shinzon attacks when Picard can't call for help. If he had attacked sooner, or later, Starfleet might have turned up. As it was, Shinzon probably would have defeated and even captured Picard, if not for those meddling Romulans.
Has anything actually changed for the Remans? They are supposedly let to bear arms and wander about the galaxy often enough (the "shock troops" thing), yet that doesn't give them the power to dictate their own destiny. There would appear to be mechanisms in place to stop an armed rebellion, and those might work no matter who is in command of the Remans.
Doesn't Shinzon seizing power constitute a rebellion? As to why they didn't rebel before, there is the slave race theory, or possibly the Romulans held their families as hostages.
We could argue the Romulans see themselves as the perpetual underdogs, and therefore are in the habit of grasping at very sharp straws. They don't believe in frontal attacks (except when they can outsource them to their enemies or their slaves), but they do believe in the use of excessive decisive force at low personal risk.
Yes, I think the thing I really don't buy in this movie is Donatra saying that they shouldn't destroy Earth, because people will think they're bad. After a devastating war, followed by a cold war during which they were basically imprisoned by the Neutral Zone, are they really going to be squeamish about defeating their hated enemy?

DONATRA: Commander, a moment. Are you truly prepared to have your hands drenched in blood? He's not planning to defeat Earth. He's planning its annihilation. And his sins will mark us and our children for generations.​

After taking part in the murder of the Romulan senate, and supporting Shinzon as leader with the explicit understanding that he was going to attack the Federation with his doomsday weapon, now she's suddenly grown a conscience?

The only explanation I buy is that Donatra is cynically saving her skin after seeing that the great commander is (or has become) a loon. Being a loon, he will likely fail, meaning either Romulus will be attacked by the Federation, or (more likely), there will be a counter coup and Donatra will be killed. This puts an interesting spin on her friendly offer to have a drink with Picard. I wish the movie had made a bit more of her scheming, duplicitous nature.
 
Well, Shinzon doesn't think Picard is going to ram, hence he parks his ship right in front of Enterprise. Shinzon does this because he thinks Picard is a complacent Federationista who will surrender when things look bad, Picard realises this, and realises Shinzon has opened himself to attack.

That's all good and well, but utterly superfluous. There's no demand for the psychologizing there - Shinzon has already parked his ship there. Indeed, that's what every villain and every hero always does.

Shinzon attacks when Picard can't call for help. If he had attacked sooner, or later, Starfleet might have turned up.

That makes no sense. Picard doesn't need to call for help - he already has. The help is at the border, and won't budge, or else it already would have.

Picard failing to emerge from the nebula would be signal enough that something's wrong, OTOH. It still results in no action from the part of the reinforcements. Or if they do act, and simply can't get there in time, then again there would be no difference, no role played by the nebula.

As it was, Shinzon probably would have defeated and even captured Picard, if not for those meddling Romulans.

And the same would have happened without the nebula.

Doesn't Shinzon seizing power constitute a rebellion?

It's a palace coup. Whether it is also a Reman rebellion, we don't know, since we see no Remans other than Shinzon's crew who are only doing what Reman slaves always do, fighting for their bosses.

As to why they didn't rebel before, there is the slave race theory, or possibly the Romulans held their families as hostages.

None of that need change when Shinzon comes to power. He would be even less interested in getting killed by an usurper than the average overlord - he's ruling during a period of instability, after all.

Yes, I think the thing I really don't buy in this movie is Donatra saying that they shouldn't destroy Earth, because people will think they're bad. After a devastating war, followed by a cold war during which they were basically imprisoned by the Neutral Zone, are they really going to be squeamish about defeating their hated enemy?

That's Realpolitik for ya. Defeating the UFP but losing one's interstellar reputation would do little to serve the Romulan aims, as tomorrow the Klingons would be raining death on Romulus and Remus out of fear of otherwise being the next thalaron recipients.

Let's not be fooled by the mention of Romulans and Remans here. The one thing we know about Romulans, reinforced here, is that they are like the old Vulcans - they constantly betray, backstab, or at least disagree. There are factions even within the coup, and no doubt the Romulans involved in the coup were a minority faction in the Senate, etc. On the balance, the Senate would have its mad-as-hatter warhawks and the timid doves, and both would be vital to survival. After a coup, especially with one side losing in relative power and the other gaining, survival would be in jeopardy.

After taking part in the murder of the Romulan senate, and supporting Shinzon as leader with the explicit understanding that he was going to attack the Federation with his doomsday weapon, now she's suddenly grown a conscience?

Why not? Happens every day in the real world: there are shades of black to every atrocity, and everybody draws a line somewhere. Usually between "it happens to others" and "it might affect me"...

The only explanation I buy is that Donatra is cynically saving her skin after seeing that the great commander is (or has become) a loon. Being a loon, he will likely fail, meaning either Romulus will be attacked by the Federation, or (more likely), there will be a counter coup and Donatra will be killed. This puts an interesting spin on her friendly offer to have a drink with Picard. I wish the movie had made a bit more of her scheming, duplicitous nature.

I guess being duplicitous goes without saying for a Romulan. Plans and people will only be exploited until they cease to be of personal benefit; after that, they have to be discarded. Just like Shinzon himself.

Timo Saloniemi
 
That makes no sense. Picard doesn't need to call for help - he already has. The help is at the border, and won't budge, or else it already would have.
I think we are failing to understand each other over this....
Shinzon wants to capture Picard. Picard's "help" is light years away and not getting any closer.

If Shinzon attacks Picard outside the nebula, Picard will call for reinforcements, who will quickly turn up, and Shinzon will either have his ass beat, or he will have to use his weapon, killing Picard and thus Shinzon's only chance at life.

If Shinzon attacks Picard inside the nebula, Picard can't call for help and (barring Romulan interference) will be Shinzon's prisoner before Starfleet even thinks about acting. Shinzon saves himself by using Picard's DNA, then he flushes Picard out an airlock, goes to meet the Federation fleet and microwaves them with his green light gun.

The fact that Starfleet never turned up to the battle shows that Shinzon's plan would have worked, if not for Donatra's betrayal.
It's a palace coup. Whether it is also a Reman rebellion, we don't know, since we see no Remans other than Shinzon's crew who are only doing what Reman slaves always do, fighting for their bosses.
I guess it's true that we don't see a bunch of Remans running around, knocking over statues of hated Romulan dictators. Shinzon tells Picard that he wants to liberate the Remans, but at that point he may well be telling Picard what he wants to hear. And OTOH, there's no indication that the Remans have not been freed.
Defeating the UFP but losing one's interstellar reputation would do little to serve the Romulan aims, as tomorrow the Klingons would be raining death on Romulus and Remus out of fear of otherwise being the next thalaron recipients.
The same way China and Russia went to war with the US after they got the A-bomb? ;)
On the balance, the Senate would have its mad-as-hatter warhawks and the timid doves, and both would be vital to survival. After a coup, especially with one side losing in relative power and the other gaining, survival would be in jeopardy.
I don't really buy this balance-of-nature view of politics. And I'm sure that if one faction gained ascendancy, it wouldn't be long before they split into competing sub-factions.
 
I think we are failing to understand each other over this....
Shinzon wants to capture Picard. Picard's "help" is light years away and not getting any closer.

Exactly. And Picard is fine with that, and the help is fine with that. Shinzon's attack shouldn't change that one way or another, because if Picard really wanted the fleet to come escort him, and the fleet felt it was able to do so, then this would already have happened. Picard knows Shinzon is likely to head for Earth, and he knows Shinzon is likely to head for Picard, and the two courses are identical because Picard is heading for Earth. And Picard is fine with this happening without Starfleet escort.

If Shinzon attacks Picard outside the nebula, Picard will call for reinforcements, who will quickly turn up

Why would Picard do that? He has told the fleet he doesn't want them to come help him, or else they would be there already.

Shinzon saves himself by using Picard's DNA, then he flushes Picard out an airlock, goes to meet the Federation fleet and microwaves them with his green light gun.

Except this is not what Shinzon does. He fights with Picard for ages before the Romulans interfere despite having the ability to capture him, then wastes more time chatting with him via holophone, then fires his big guns at Picard and only by sheer chance happens not to kill him. Nothing suggests Shinzon got any advantage from fighting the E-E without Starfleet interference, and nothing suggests he would have had trouble warding off that interference, either.

The whole fight is yet another piece of ill-founded stalling by Shinzon, from Shinzon's choice of engagement location to his handling of the engagement itself.

The fact that Starfleet never turned up to the battle shows that Shinzon's plan would have worked, if not for Donatra's betrayal.

And Bassen Rift played no part in it. Although had not Donatra turned up, Shinzon would apparently just have stalled for stalling's sake anyway, dying of young age before he got anything done.

I guess it's true that we don't see a bunch of Remans running around, knocking over statues of hated Romulan dictators. Shinzon tells Picard that he wants to liberate the Remans, but at that point he may well be telling Picard what he wants to hear. And OTOH, there's no indication that the Remans have not been freed.

One really wonders if anybody outside the Citadel even noticed Shinzon taking power. His seventeen (!) hours of keeping Picard on orbital hold might have been spent on planetwide purges and bitter fighting to release all the slaves (but one would think the E-E sensors would hint at such frantic activity). OTOH, they could have been spent with Shinzon doing nothing, as that's what he excels in.

The same way China and Russia went to war with the US after they got the A-bomb? ;)

It's not as if the Klingons don't have the T-bomb already. They don't have to wait for their spies to catch up on the latest in WMD tech, as they have their own counterparts available (canonically they can torch atmospheres, nova-bomb stars, rain cloaked conventional death on homeworlds, and by implication also deploy all the dishonorable horror weapons their enemies have wielded in the past to the effect of revealing their secrets).

OTOH, the Scimitar can't be in two places at once (although the biggest forte of the cloak is in making the enemy guess at that very thing). The sooner the Klingons strike, the better. If the Romulans really want to make use of the Scimitar to gain the upper hand in galactic conquest, they hide it under cloak somewhere in the Star Empire and never let it move an inch.

I don't really buy this balance-of-nature view of politics. And I'm sure that if one faction gained ascendancy, it wouldn't be long before they split into competing sub-factions.

Indeed. Which is why only the early moments of the latest coup are precarious. We hear witness statements that the government on Romulus changes often, and that backstabbing is the norm - but we also witness unchanging policies from the Star Empire as viewed from the outside. Kim Insert Name talking tall about horrible attacks of retaliation is good for Korean stability and security, but him actually doing something about it is bad for stability and security; the same with giving Shinzon the ultimate WMD vs. actually having him use it.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Picard knows Shinzon is likely to head for Earth, and he knows Shinzon is likely to head for Picard, and the two courses are identical because Picard is heading for Earth. And Picard is fine with this happening without Starfleet escort.
Why would Picard do that? He has told the fleet he doesn't want them to come help him, or else they would be there already.
I don't know where you are getting that from. It's not in the transcript. Picard is heading for the fleet, as ordered, presumably in order to confront Shinzon in numbers. Then he realises they can't contact the fleet, and basically panics.

PICARD: How long does he have?
CRUSHER: Well I can't say for sure, ...but the rate of decay seems to be accelerating.
PICARD: Then he'll come for me.
...
CRUSHER: We do have one advantage though. He needs your blood to live. He might come after you first.
PICARD: I'm counting on it. We've been ordered to head to sector ten forty-five. Our fleet has diverted to meet us there.
...
PICARD: Data, what's our current position? ...How soon until we reach the fleet?
DATA: At our current velocity we will arrive at sector ten forty-five in approximately forty minutes.
...
DATA: We are passing through the Bassen Rift. The projection will return when we have cleared it.
PICARD: It's interfering with our uplink from Starfleet cartography?
DATA: The Rift effects all long-range communications.
PICARD: Commander Riker! Evasive maneuvers!
...
SHINZON: You can't trace my holographic emitters, Captain, so don't bother. And you can't contact Starfleet. It's just the two of us now, Jean-Luc. ...As it should be.​

Except this is not what Shinzon does. He fights with Picard for ages before the Romulans interfere despite having the ability to capture him, then wastes more time chatting with him via holophone, then fires his big guns at Picard and only by sheer chance happens not to kill him.
That's not what actually happens. Shinzon attacks, giving orders that the Enterprise not be destroyed. Enterprise loses warp drive on the first shot, and is rapidly losing shields. Shinzon then demands Picard surrender:

PICARD: Why are you here?
SHINZON: To accept your surrender. I can clearly destroy you at any time. Lower your shields and I'll allow you to transport to my ship.​

Donatra shows up, and the battle continues until the Romulan ships are disabled. Shinzon still hasn't given up on getting Picard:

SHINZON: Prepare a boarding party. Bring me Picard!​

The boarding party attacks Enterprise (presumably by transporter) and gets bogged down in skirmishing.
At this point, it has been made clear that the Enterprise's shields are down to almost nothing, while the Scimitars are at 70%. Shinzon again demands that Picard surrender - :

SHINZON: Don't you think it's time to surrender? Why should the rest of your crew have to die?​

Picard (unwilling to sacrifice himself for his crew), rams the Enterprise into the Scimitar, and then orders self-destruct, but that function is unavailable.
It is only at this point, with his disruptors offline thanks to the crash, that Shinzon gives up on capturing Picard and decides to use the thalaron weapon.
Nothing suggests Shinzon got any advantage from fighting the E-E without Starfleet interference, and nothing suggests he would have had trouble warding off that interference, either.
That doesn't make sense. The presence of a dozen Starfleet ships would obviously make a difference to the battle. Despite its advantages, the Scimitar does suffer damage and lose shields. Against a fleet, it would be on the defensive and might eventually be worn down and defeated.
 
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