Ncuti Gatwa is the 15th Doctor
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Supposedly the show itself based on his post in the logo thread.
With recent news, isn't Gatwa the 15th as entertainment news outlets are saying Tennant is officially the 14th? (They also dismiss Jo Martin as being the first black actor to play the Doctor, so who knows anymore...)
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-ncuti-gatwa-fifteenth-doctor-confirmed-details/
and
https://screenrant.com/david-tennan...9-s-return-is-as-the-14th-doctor-not-the-10th
etc
Whether he's the same mannerisms or new ones remains to be seen. News would say the differences and not speculate. Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him? Kent Brockman was passe 20 years ago!
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-ncuti-gatwa-fifteenth-doctor-confirmed-details/
and
https://screenrant.com/david-tennan...9-s-return-is-as-the-14th-doctor-not-the-10th
etc
Whether he's the same mannerisms or new ones remains to be seen. News would say the differences and not speculate. Where is Walter Cronkite when we need him? Kent Brockman was passe 20 years ago!
I remember someone once telling me that by their count, drawing material from the show and various tie-ins, there have been over a hundred documented Doctors. And that was before the Timeless Child revelation.
The number attached to a given Doctor is not an accurate in-universe count; the one played by Jodie Whitaker didn’t going around introducing herself as “the Thirteenth Doctor.” It’s an out-of-universe indicator that someone was the current lead actor for whatever period of time.
First Doctor: Regeneration?
Tennant Doctor: 9th
First Doctor: My Goodness, so there are ten of me n…
Tennant Doctor: well, actually, tenth…
First Doctor: my Goodness, so there…
Tennant Doctor: … and a half
First Doctor: My Goodness… what?!
Tennant Doctor: it‘s complicated.
First Doctor: Regenerat… oh, it‘s you again.
Tennant Doctor: 15th.
First Doctor: oh for goodness sake!!!
This is the only way I'm going to refer to him as now.The Oh No Not You Again! Doctor
This is the only way I'm going to refer to him as now.
If I was being mean I'd channel Moffat's writing in Coupling and call Tennant an un-flushable
At least he's not as bonkers as Jane.If I was being mean I'd channel Moffat's writing in Coupling and call Tennant an un-flushable
Smith actually did call himself "the Eleventh" in The Lodger and referred to Tennant as "Number Ten" in Time of the Doctor.
This is incorrect.
Subsequent Doctors have referred to their predecessors and/or been referred to by said predecessors by numerical designations as far back as The Five Doctors in 1983. The Doctor has also referred to their own place in a numerical sequence at various points throughout both the Classic and Modern eras of the series.
From The Time of the Doctor.
CLARA: Okay, so you're number eleven, so
DOCTOR: Ha. Are we forgetting Captain Grumpy, eh? I didn't call myself the Doctor during the Time War, but it was still a regeneration.
CLARA: Okay, so you're number twelve.
DOCTOR: Well, number ten once regenerated and kept the same face. I had vanity issues at the time. Twelve regenerations, Clara. I can't ever do it again. This is where I end up. This face, this version of me. We saw this planet in the future, remember? All those graves, one of them mine.
(Then later...)
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a whopper!
(And)
DOCTOR: Ha! It's started. I can't stop it now. This is just the reset. A whole new regeneration cycle. Ooo.
In other words, 12 more regenerations.
All that Chibnall rubbish about infinite Doctors - I totally reject. Even the so-called Fugitive Doctor is not a 'real' Doctor for me. Yes, I'm an old fogey about this, but if death had no force for the Doctor then avoiding regeneration as much as possible would be pointless.
The Doctor is not Wowbagger the Infinite - and we know how immortality affected him!
CLARA: Okay, so you're number eleven, so
DOCTOR: Ha. Are we forgetting Captain Grumpy, eh? I didn't call myself the Doctor during the Time War, but it was still a regeneration.
CLARA: Okay, so you're number twelve.
DOCTOR: Well, number ten once regenerated and kept the same face. I had vanity issues at the time. Twelve regenerations, Clara. I can't ever do it again. This is where I end up. This face, this version of me. We saw this planet in the future, remember? All those graves, one of them mine.
(Then later...)
DOCTOR: Oh, look at this. Regeneration number thirteen. We're breaking some serious science here, boys. I tell you what, it's going to be a whopper!
(And)
DOCTOR: Ha! It's started. I can't stop it now. This is just the reset. A whole new regeneration cycle. Ooo.
In other words, 12 more regenerations.
All that Chibnall rubbish about infinite Doctors - I totally reject. Even the so-called Fugitive Doctor is not a 'real' Doctor for me. Yes, I'm an old fogey about this, but if death had no force for the Doctor then avoiding regeneration as much as possible would be pointless.
The Doctor is not Wowbagger the Infinite - and we know how immortality affected him!
Thing is, we never learned if the Timeless Child had infinite regenerations, only that they had more than twelve. The Time Lords limited themselves, but that might be an incompatibility with the biology of whatever species the Doctor originally was. OR they just wanted to hide that it COULD go further than that and the top brass like Rassilon wanted to keep the extra regens to themselves. But even Rassilon eventually worked out perpetual life would be a curse.
The Timeless Child might simply have a hundred lives. Or a thousand. But still finite.
Because let's face it, the limit is only ever going to be down to whether folk are still interested in watching Doctor Who and not factual statements about Gallifreyan phyisology.
The Timeless Child might simply have a hundred lives. Or a thousand. But still finite.
Because let's face it, the limit is only ever going to be down to whether folk are still interested in watching Doctor Who and not factual statements about Gallifreyan phyisology.
They established it had infinite regeneration in the episode itself. It was stupid for a bunch of reasons — near immortality is what led to the Time Lords becoming dull bureaucrats from whom the Doctor ran away, the power of that and their mastery of time and space leading to corruption etc etc. They were in many ways a critique of Old Empire and Colonialism — only ever intervening in the affairs of the Galaxy when it suited their interests, having formerly treated its inhabitants as playthings. (The Dark Time)
This Timless Child flushes all of that away, and makes the Time Lords almost historically worse than Daleks. Not just that they went that way during the Time War.
A rebellious adventurer, nothing special particularly, going out into the universe is a much better story than the victim narrative and chosen-one status now retconned in its place. A man that fought monsters because he was afraid of them as a child (itself a bit of a retcon) is better story than the redemption that it now resembles for his/her time with crufts SAS division. A unique origin has been turned into a cliche overnight.
This Timless Child flushes all of that away, and makes the Time Lords almost historically worse than Daleks. Not just that they went that way during the Time War.
A rebellious adventurer, nothing special particularly, going out into the universe is a much better story than the victim narrative and chosen-one status now retconned in its place. A man that fought monsters because he was afraid of them as a child (itself a bit of a retcon) is better story than the redemption that it now resembles for his/her time with crufts SAS division. A unique origin has been turned into a cliche overnight.
And there are other scattered quotes along those lines one could name. My point is that the labels have a function independent of the in-universe count.
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