Real world reason: The Rura Penthe scene wound up on the cutting room floor, and Uhura's dialoig--which originally only mentioned the escape of a prisoner--was changed in post-production to mention a Klingon Armada being destroyed. Kirk's dialog on the bridge was also changed in post production, both via not-entirely-seemless voiceovers. This appears to have been a very last-minute change, one Abrams and company probably tried hard as hell to avoid (they put a really impressive amount of time and energy into it, after all) but in the end couldn't get the studio to approve the extra run time in theatres and were forced to make the change anyway. "47" was a random number, basically drawn out of a hat, in reference to the fact that ANY random number in the trekiverse is probably 47.
Ummm Ok I heard the number 47 "warbirds" in the movie
So I guess because of the behind the scenes information your describing it nullfies as canon as presented on screen?
So Your defining what can used in discussing what happens regards Narada as presented on screen.
In-universe explanation (speculating here): Nero needed to be able to enter Klingon space and intercept Spock without being disturbed by their border patrols. He chose to take a preemptive strike by Pearl Harboring the local security station
(the un-named "Klingon Prison Planet" in the final cut) smashing several dozen patrol ships and the few Bird of Prey type vessels they had on hand before they even knew what hit them. Border patrols properly neutralized, Nero then cruised over to the rendezvous point to wait for Spock to arrive.
How do you know the type of vessels that were there? Im utlising what is shown in the cinema print of the movie I saw? I clearly heard Uhura mention 47 "warbirds" and we even get a shot of d7/ktinga in the kobiashi Maru sequence
Your speculating is as minimal as mine is maximal in terms of ships and even their class types if we are going in to this free for all speculation -this will be a never ending thread.
I will stick what is mentioned in and seen in the cinema release of the movie.
And in the original version, Nero doesn't destroy ANY ships, he simply escapes from Rurapenthe. In the latter case, we're meant to assume that Nero either re-armed the Narada with its original weaponry (the ship is large enough to have its own factories, after all) or stole them from the Klingons.
Assume Nero and his miners rearm The narada with its original weaponry? Fine this is from a romulan mining vessel-you it goes and mines ore? Im lost here-Im just meant to infer from on screen that a vessel of this design and purpose can easily act as capitol warship as well? The film tells us they are miners and we see the vessel "mine" with its Mining "tube" So Logically I can assume this vessel is a mining ship!
But wait if I assume enough I can convince myself that the vessel is armed to the point that it defeats vessels that are armed for defence against other capitol vessels ( i realise that its a vessel from 2387 and its fighting vessels from 2255) Even with a gap of 150 years a mining vessel has the firepower to defeat purpose built vessels that are designed to for either offense or defense reasons engage other combatants?
its a MINING vessel iits built with a purpose to mine
The movie offers us nothing else -
NO bits of dialogue about its a refit using borg nano technology retro enginnered by the Tal Shiar etc all this wondrous other media sourced information post the release of the film
We do get in the film as made a line that it has destroyed 47 warbirds
This is making this mining vessel so ludicrous i think even star wars fans would have issues.
Whats with a mining vessel being that armed anyway?
How about Afghan popy farmers being armed with RPGs and light machineguns?
Wow So now with that awesome analogy The Narada is an Illegal mining vessel -So what it mines banned ores in the romulan empire so it has to be ready to defeat Romulan Naval Vessels?
Same concept. Abrams went on record describing Nero's crew as, basically, a fanatical splinter group of Romulans with an emphasis on badassery; even other Romulans think they're crazy. They do, after all, belong to a society whose people expect to be assaulted and massacred at the first sign of weakness; Nero's sect, evidently, prefers not to be on the receiving end.
Ok so we are back to using information outside of the movie as screened
So now its free for all -you pick whats accepted as canon in this discussion?
Again we have none of this Nero and his "sect" are so "badass" other Romulans think they are crazy-what other Romulans? What source are you getting this from?
The Blu ray features -The Prequel Comics? Abrams musings? Wkipedia? Fansites?
If we are using those than it goes back to my post of the Naradas transformation is badly written and contrived.
If the comics are accepted than we go back the stupidty of the Romulan Ruling Elite having no other vessel to flee the destruction of romulus in that Neros Mining ship?
Mr presdient the white house is going to blow up! Oh crap but lucky for mr presdient a passing mining truck is nearby-wheres airforce one or his chopper who knows?!
So the Praetor of the Romulan Empire or any Senators like on the continuing committee would not have a naval vessel at their disposal?
No! otherwise we could not have the idiocy of what happens next -they are beamed on board Neros vessel Oh wait apparently all other romulans think nero and the boys are crazy -so The Praetor chose to go his death to escape his death?
More contrived writing so Nero and his badasses get the magical Staff and learn where the secret facility is
So The know crazy sect Leader Nero Rocks up to the secret facilty guarded by Romulan Military. Now going with this all other Romulans think Nero is crazy accept that the Mining Guild Leader has the Praetors Staff and codes and ok with this??!!!!
Would they assume correctly some foul play has occured and the crazy nero has killed the leader of the Romulan Star Empire? Thus making Nero a traitor and than they would ummm kill him?
NOOOOO! Come on in Nero take what you like you got the Staff and the codes its all super legit in what Star Trek has established as a paranoid Police State where rule of law is enforced by death.
No other trek movie has had me look up other media to justify whats on screen
Neither does STXI; it's eminently justifiable from the on-screen information. Your problem is you don't ACCEPT the on-screen information, and don't want to, and so others have presented you with alternate sources of information which you also dislike, for no other reason that you hate the idea of a TOS reboot that isn't as boring and pretentious as Star Trek: Voyager.
Wow just Wow
The problem is I fully accept what is on screen (You know the no information about the Narada being anything than a mining vessel and it wipes out 47 klingon warbirds-The things you want to dismiss because of off screen information saying it was all a production stuff up)
"Alternate sources of infromation" well you opened the pandoras box on that and apparently I have to accept every thing post production in any form from any source as fully valid-so naturally we go back to the comic which directly explains how Nero got the narada and what it does.
Do i choose to dislike an explanation so contrived and badly written thats it insulting-something that makes no sense on any level.
Yes I do
Now on your assumption of my reason for disliking the narada as presented ON screen
Hold on apparently I disliked the whole movie -you gleaned that from somewhere in your pandoras box
No heres the fact I like that Trek got a Reboot as its called I love that it did well and new people are taking an interest in Star Trek old or New
I thought the Trio were done well I mean Kirk, Spock, and Mccoy-the actors were brilliant in capturing the mannerisms etc.
I liked the visuals of the bridge of the enterprise
I loved seeing Nimoy again
Uhura was well portayed
What I did not like was the portrayal of the Romulans or the Narada
Nero is the worst on screen villan in trek movies even the face lift failures from insurrection had more depth and presence. His backstory was confusing and the whole shaved gangers with markings look meant I had to accept they were romulans because it was mentioned.
The Narada is just stupid as I explained above
The destruction of Vulcan -I mean really Vulcans had no defence to topple the silly mining tube? I guess all of Enterpises 5 seasons of developing the vulcans was ignored for some reason-because its contrived.
The whole Kirk has random beastie encounters on ice moon and after silly chase ends up in contrived cave with future spock
Scotty stuck in unexplained willy wonkas water tube in such forced comedy that makes all the overdone neelix humour look well written.
The cheap ass use of a brewery to act as the interior sets of the federation ships -nothing takes you out of the 23rd century faster when you see all the trappings of a present day brewery with some tables and prop computers slapped around-glad to see pressure pipes are required in great amounts on starships in the 23rd century.
The whole worm hole and red matter scenario just pure contrived mess to allow for the reboot to be another universe so the writers could go crazy and hopefully still keep the old fans happy.
And your super pulled out of nowhere assumption I like Voyager way to go on that one
Nope I like some episodes of Voyager and some Borg aspects-Its end episode is the worst I have seen Its crew just on the whole were crap and Janeway ...shiver
Dont outright hate Enterprise -because its explored in depth the vulcans who got not much development before hand. but again its crew were blah
Loved TNG flaws and all -By seventh season cast were at the top of the game sadly ended in that season but ended well.
Was meh on DS9's early seasons -but the Dominion war was brilliant good cast and ended ok.
Love TOS.
I was discussin the Narada on screen originally Quite happy to discuss all the various off screen stuff floating around.
