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Narada Tech Specs

It's also possible that Red Matter creates a singularity unlike the regular ones.
We've seen at least on Voyager how a mini quantum singularity was used to power a Hirogen relay station.
Once it was destroyed, the singularity has increased in both size and intensity, and was very much deadly to both the Hirogen and Voyager.

The one used in Trek 2009, might have had somewhat different properties.

However, we have seen the singularity at the end of the movie severely damaging the Enterprise during it's attempt at escape.
 
If anything in this real universe is allowed to have a whiff of magic in it, it's the interior of a singularity. Everything we know about nature ceases to be relevant there, after all; if you try to present a view on what the inside might be like, you'll be collectively whipped by the physics community for doing a silly and forbidden thing.

Yet Star Trek technology should logically give access to the insides of the singularity, bringing this magic to us. Time travel is but one of the possibilities, and indeed a fairly logical one, considering that the means of gaining access past the event horizon (the FTL drive) inherently involves breaks of causality already.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^ Fair play. I just wondered why such minor things in the film were picked on when a more glaring one presented itself as an easier target of peoples ire.
 
Yet Star Trek technology should logically give access to the insides of the singularity, bringing this magic to us. Time travel is but one of the possibilities, and indeed a fairly logical one, considering that the means of gaining access past the event horizon (the FTL drive) inherently involves breaks of causality already.

Well, the "Warp Drive" doesn't break causality, it just cheats it, and in a fairly clever fashion. (This is why it's one of Trek's more enduring technologies, it remains plausible, despite it's plot-centric nature). By making space warp around the ship, it gets to keep the relativity and causality question open for effective low-C speeds.
 
Why? He DIDN'T leave the helm until the ship was already on a collision course; not much steering to do then, now is there?
The argument has consistently been that the only reason George Kirk remained on the ship at all rather than attempting to escape was because he had to make sure the ship collided with Narda in a way to maximize damage. My argument has consistently been than if this was the case, then he should have remained at the helm, so he could have insured that he had the highest level of control over the ship possible.

I mean, I just don't get what you're complaining about here.
Bad writing.

Except that you hate STXI, but we knew that already.
Not liking a movie isn't the same as hating it. I don't hate the movie, but there's certainly nothing to keep me from pointing out something that was particularly stupid about it.

No, it makes it exactly as irrelevant as it was in all those other movies
:lol: That's one of the most laughable defenses of bad writing I've seen. That's right up there with, "you aren't supposed to think about [BLANK], you're just supposed to turn your brain off and enjoy it."

you don't feel like talking about because you liked them just fine but would rather complain about STXI because you hated it so much.:bolian:
:rolleyes: This argument makes no sense in light of where it is taking place. This is a thread about something from STXI and it evolved from that starting point, namely how little the Narda makes sense as a ship, and even only then because of attempts being made to explain it rationally rather than just as the big scary space octopus that it was designed to be. Arguing that I haven't criticized other aspects of other movies in a thread that has nothing to do with those other movies is nothing more than a straw man argument. Recognizing a movie for the dumbed down dumb action flick that it is doesn't in any way negate any argument that I have made against aspects of it that don't make sense or are otherwise just silly.
 
Why? He DIDN'T leave the helm until the ship was already on a collision course; not much steering to do then, now is there?
The argument has consistently been that the only reason George Kirk remained on the ship at all rather than attempting to escape was because he had to make sure the ship collided with Narda in a way to maximize damage.
I'm not sure who made that claim, but it's wrong. George said the reason he stayed behind was to cover the shuttles' escape. Ramming the Narada at the end was the only way to keep Nero from following them. You're pretty much debating a baseless hypothetical at this point.
 
I'm not sure who made that claim, but it's wrong. George said the reason he stayed behind was to cover the shuttles' escape. Ramming the Narada at the end was the only way to keep Nero from following them. You're pretty much debating a baseless hypothetical at this point.
Ignoring the fact that the computer still seemed to be handling the weapons systems, wouldn't keeping Nero from following the escaping shuttles be a fairly effective method of "covering" them?
 
I'm also completely satisfied with a space mining ship that looks completely unlike a space battleship. Drilling platforms here on Earth don't look particularly like frigates, either.

Why is the going in and out of a singularity a problem? Timo Saloniemi

It isn't a problem in trek--its just that the artist wanted to explain the odd ship design as the result of passage through this plane shaped singularity. Also, Fosters novelization explains that this singularity was rather unique. In terms of the Red Matter (Red Mercury for trek), in DS9 we saw a small pocket universe, and we saw the runabout shrunk down. Here is how decalithium might work. Like the tri-lithium resin we saw extracted from the Ent-D, we see an explosive that can destroy a star, one of the second tier supernovae products is decalithium, which took place in compressed space.

Due to field effects, similar to what happened to the runabout, a tremendous amount of mass was compressed into a small area, like what we saw in flints explosive, the warp star, or the crystal in Cowboy beebop. Thus I saw the red matter was a texture, a defect that seemed to be a substance like the philosophers stone (Full Metal) but isn't really a compound at all.

When surrounded by a spherical gravitational mass, its structure is pulled apart, opening up mass from outside--enough mass to initiate a true black hole. Some field effects remain, and the rotation of the host body flattens the singularity into a plane wormhole.

Subspace topology tricks.

Something I was thinking about. The side view of Narada is a cross between a squid and a flea.
 
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I'm not sure who made that claim, but it's wrong. George said the reason he stayed behind was to cover the shuttles' escape. Ramming the Narada at the end was the only way to keep Nero from following them. You're pretty much debating a baseless hypothetical at this point.
Ignoring the fact that the computer still seemed to be handling the weapons systems, wouldn't keeping Nero from following the escaping shuttles be a fairly effective method of "covering" them?
Once they had actually escaped from the ship, yes. By that time they were evidently out of Narada's firing range and all he needed to do was make sure it stayed that way. He probably would have hung there fighting the Narada for an entire day if his shields and weapons hadn't gone offline.
 
I did not like the film, one thing I disliked most was the poor writing which made me seek out the "prequel" comic to get some idea of why a romulan mining vessel looked like something created by hellraisers pinhead.
So The birth of the narada is this-Romulans gets wiped out-Neros (normal mining) ship is the only romulan ship in orbit-The Romulan Leadership are "rescued" by Nero -who decides to kill the leadership and take the praetors staff after finding out about the secret romulan facility -Nero the miner rocks up at said facility and because he a no name miner has the staff is given a tour of the facility by the military commander and allowed to take what he likes-so he decides on the advanced borg copy tech upgrade-because if anything his crew of miners will be masters of that.

When I first read this -I was stunned -Most of trek fans are so happy to have a new film that did well, now quite happy to accept this as plausible origins of one of the silliest ships to appear in Star Trek.

I mean WTF...WTF?

Without this insulting piece of backstory -we are just meant to accept that romulan miners cruise around in 5 km long ships that break with any established romulan design lineage because? Its a new Movie?

Just make the specs up, ignore any established trek design lineage-its exactly what the writers of that movie did.
 
Hate the comic all you want (I thought it was okay), but...
Narada was the only ship we saw near Romulus (i.e. the only ship in the panel), but likely not the only ship in the vicinity of Romulus - they'd finally begun evacuating at that point.
Nero was hardly a "nobody" miner. He and his crew were there at the very start of the Hobus supernova, and he spoke to the senate and directly to the praetor himself about it. Nero's given weapons at the Vault (he does posses all the passwords as well as the Debrune Teral'n), but he's not the only one - D'Spal says she's awaiting the arrival of the surviving Romulan fleet. Narada's only the first ship to be upgraded with the reverse-engineered Borg technology.

But even if you totally disregard Countdown, Narada's dissimilarity to Romulan warbirds makes sense to me. Can you trace a design lineage between an aircraft carrier and an oil rig?
 
The Narada looks weird because it was designed by an alien race. It's one of the few truly alien designs in Trek and actually is a step up from the normal.
 
I did not like the film, one thing I disliked most was the poor writing which made me seek out the "prequel" comic to get some idea of why a romulan mining vessel looked like something created by hellraisers pinhead.
So The birth of the narada is this-Romulans gets wiped out-Neros (normal mining) ship is the only romulan ship in orbit-The Romulan Leadership are "rescued" by Nero -who decides to kill the leadership and take the praetors staff after finding out about the secret romulan facility -Nero the miner rocks up at said facility and because he a no name miner has the staff is given a tour of the facility by the military commander and allowed to take what he likes-so he decides on the advanced borg copy tech upgrade-because if anything his crew of miners will be masters of that.

When I first read this -I was stunned -Most of trek fans are so happy to have a new film that did well, now quite happy to accept this as plausible origins of one of the silliest ships to appear in Star Trek.

I mean WTF...WTF?

Without this insulting piece of backstory -we are just meant to accept that romulan miners cruise around in 5 km long ships that break with any established romulan design lineage because? Its a new Movie?

Just make the specs up, ignore any established trek design lineage-its exactly what the writers of that movie did.

It's no stupider than Nemesis, which assumes that a human clone and some slaves (also miners it seems) could build a super giant ship of death with a "perfect cloak", and take over the Romulan government. For that matter, the first movie would have us believe omnipotent aliens could repair a rusty old 1970s scientific probe, effectively a camera attached to a radio, and send it on its way, decimating half the galaxy in the process. Then there's the whale probe...

The bottom line is that if you like a film you'll overlook these things. If you don't, then you can either accept that and say no more about it, or you can pick over every little thing and grow to hate it.
 
Hate the comic all you want (I thought it was okay), but...
Narada was the only ship we saw near Romulus (i.e. the only ship in the panel), but likely not the only ship in the vicinity of Romulus - they'd finally begun evacuating at that point.

We should have seen hundreds of vessels-ink a lot cheaper than cgi of minatures

Nero was hardly a "nobody" miner. He and his crew were there at the very start of the Hobus supernova, and he spoke to the senate and directly to the praetor himself about it.

I stand corrected-he indeed address the senate-but the mining guild are still the mining guild after hobus doubt they would have any higer station in romulan politics-and hold on was not nero seen in the company of spock-who was not in their goodbooks either!

Nero's given weapons at the Vault (he does posses all the passwords as well as the Debrune Teral'n), but he's not the only one - D'Spal says she's awaiting the arrival of the surviving Romulan fleet. Narada's only the first ship to be upgraded with the reverse-engineered Borg technology.

This part is just rubbish-In China a notable miner rocks up to a secret miltary base with the chinese premiers laptop knows the passwords -Is he let in NO! He at best would be detained until some verification. I chose china in that example as the romulans by next gens to time had developed all the traits of a monolithic paranoid police state. It sounds stupid in the real as much as in trek world-even more so after Shinzons coup-The only evidence that had been some slight reform was the fact the romulans had allowed spock to openly be an ambassador from vulcan.
The fact there was still this ultra sectet military facility -is definate proof the that the society that brought us the infamous tal shiar was still there.

Sorry, Nero could wield any staff all he wants any decent paranoid or diligent military officer (Even if kept out of current events-bloody unlikely the hobus thing was totally unknown at that point) would have told him to wait and do some basic checking who on the senate was this guy etc.

But is by far more ludicrous that ruling Elite -Praetor etc would end forced to hop into a mining ship-Even for appearance sake being last man out (Which is stupid anyway as the ruling elite does not have to worry about popularity) A cloaked Warbird would suffice and be expected.

It was contrived in poor writing all of these events to justify Nero getting a advanced bit weapon tech so the movie could have this super villian ship. I could have belived Nero just found it drifting as a derelict while out mining LOL

But even if you totally disregard Countdown, Narada's dissimilarity to Romulan warbirds makes sense to me. Can you trace a design lineage between an aircraft carrier and an oil rig?

Agreed it should look different from a warbird -But Romulans build ships with the visual being important and operate on the equal pairs of warp narcel technology as well
so disregarding the comic backstory- We build an oil rig to function and care not how it looks after all its out in deep sea and fixed inplace-

A passionate and proud people with a working know how of warp travel for at least centuries would build a ulitarian design but why make it look like borg ship as designed by lady gaga?

It has to be large to travel from system to system processing the ore it mines and storing it I assume but 5km long? Any commercial vessels you know are least 4 times the size of an aircraft carrier (A deridex warbird is 1041 meters) ? I know its space and they are aliens etc -it all just smacks of cool overriding any thought to the race, whats been shown before-the designer of the Narada mentions knives as his inspiration -so there you go it comes down to whats cool looking.

I thinks its ugly and just says everything but romulan to me than again I wont get started on what they did to romulans themselves-

will say this these romulan miners are a breed apart -they watch their world destroyed go on a rampage tackling klingon fleets comfotable with traversing time and space and waiting 25 years to exact revenge-imagine what their soldiers must be like?
 
It has to be large to travel from system to system processing the ore it mines and storing it I assume but 5km long? Any commercial vessels you know are least 4 times the size of an aircraft carrier (A deridex warbird is 1041 meters) ?

Actually yes I do. Most super tankers are larger than carriers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI_class_supertankers That puppy displaces more than twice what the Reagan does at full gross. Five clicks long is not out of the realm of possibilities for a space miner considering the size of other craft in the series.
 
Hi Birdog

You are correct Im in error and it was a silly error. But frankly the interior of narada was so full of mario brothers jump platforms and hangar bays for smaller ships I do not see where the processed ore goes. I again only assume its a mining vessel at its core.
 
LOL
Good now to the second picture arm it like a battleship and presto its a cool baddie ship no need to elaborate on why the miners are armed to the teeth but hey it sells popcorn and tickets.
 
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